What independent co are you talking about? I'd bet they were hired by the USP.If there were only 4-6 deer psm statewide as you say, how did hunters manage to kill a little over 7 deer per square mile in the 2007/08 season?

BTW here's the math:

323070 deer harvested in 2007/08
46058 total square miles in the state of Pennsylvania 44820 of which is land. That makes the average harvest rate 7.2 deer psm (assuming none were harvested from the water)

I guess we "borrowed" some, eh?


Oh, and it wasnt me Sproul....
Maybe you need to dust the lenses on those bino's you keep in the truck if your going to try and watch folks 100 whole yards in from the truck seat. Hope that "killer tree" didnt damage them.

BTW your killer tree incident must have caused quite a stir up there in Sproulville. Such an unusual and sensational story! I'm sure the local papers would'verunthat on the front page. Where can we read about it?
I'm sure you have pictures ... why not post them so we can all learn how to avoid being impaled by those evil locust trees!

Sproul do you have a long nose?

Hmm, I wonder if Geppetto carved on locust trees?

Sproulnocchio!

yes, we do have storys to tell.thanks for listening,i enjoy telling them and also something you dont hear to much,the TRUTH.

i only hunt nice bucks because i need challenge not that i am great hunter,only i need it hard and doe hunting to me is not.

also why kill off doe if a few are left.

as said before by many here, i grew up in GREAT days here in pa.

lots of deer and nice bucks.
everyone was happy.

lots of camps filled full of hunters.
towns, every home had hunters from many states.

restaurants were full,clubs like ELKS were packed.

now,GHOST TOWNS.


yet, the PGC/DCNR will tell you things are fine.

here is example.

in a 5 mile road trip say on BOONE RD.there are 24 camps in that 5 miles or so.

lets say 150 hunters ,thats low figure .

now, in that 5 mile area, i would bet being i hunted there and grew up in county and know the hunters,i bet there are not more than 10 to 12 deer.

now, out comes all those hunters each year and shoot the doe/fawns.

you bet a lot of hunters dont get deer and wont unless deer herd can grow.
then you throw in all illegal things going on in state,POACHING,FILLING ALL THOSE TAGS,remember you could get up to 45 tags a few years ago to kill a doe,they are called DMAP.

DMAP tags were suppose to be for farmers damage,guess what the DCNR did,they said LETS USE THEM IN STATEFOREST TO GET RID OF DEER.

that was end of numbers of deer in forest.

this is why i am so down on this mentoured/junior kids rule that allows them to shoot a spike buck.

if kids were shooting the buck, i would be first to back this program.yes, some dads are true sportsman and are following rules but they are very few of them.

if ANY buck comes out in drive with crew with kids, NO ONE IS LOOKING TO SEE IF IT HAS 3 POINTS TO SIDE.
they shoot and radio for kids tag..

i never in my life saw so many radios being used in bear/deer season.

i guess i got off topic,take care.

This was on the radio . maybe i got the numbers wrong , and maybe it wasn't an independant company ... I don't recall for certain . One thing I do recall for certain is that there was a vast difference between the the number of doe tag allocation and the number of actual deer/psm . You don't have to be a genius to figure this out , all you have to do is have hunted 10 years ago and compare it to hunting now . I live in Cambria county and hunt Bedford , and Somerset countys too . From time to time I got to Fulton county .I spend more time in the woods in a single archery season than most rifel hunters do their entire lives ! The deer just aren't there like they used to be .
Now Doug and BTB can be as smart as they want to be , but they can't blab away the fact that ; unless you have land and food plots to hunt in PA you gotta be DAMN LUCKY to get a deer now a days ! Sure , I could shoot a scrub rack or a doe alot of days on stand , well at one time I could have ! I have spent days on stand in awesomeplaces without seeing anything ! If you guys can dispute anything I said here , well I guess you are just going to have to show me how to hunt !!!!

very well said.i can show anyone miles of land in clinton/potter/cameron countys thathave no deer at all.

yes, habitat is not great,we all agree on that but that is not reason you dont see a deer for miles..

its OVERHARVEST OF DOE/FAWNS and no one is interested in PGC/DCNR that these areas a void of deer.

i know DCNR employees that made a statement to me.they said,KILL ALL THOSE S.O.B OF DEER ,KILL ALL OF THEM.

these were also graduates of PENN STATE too.

these people would not be talking that way UNLESS their supervisors approved of it.

its no wonder we are losing hunters.

a lot of fisherman are giving it up too.

did you know that a lot of streams may not be stocked ever again.
trout unlimted is putting pressure on to not stock trout anymore.

folks, we are losing our sport to SPECIAL INTERESTS.

many good sportsmen are being bought off with favors etc and our sportsmans clubs turning into hiking clubs and DCNR has got them right where they want them,so ,i dont see things getting any better for hunters.

you would not believe how many hunters have quit the local sportsmans clubs and joined the USP because the DCNR is taking over clubs.

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Sproul....Funny you mentioned the Elk's Club in one of your latest posts...must be familiar with the comings and goings there.
Next time you are in there, ask them to get you a little Asiago cheese to go with your WHINE.......

1luckybuck,I kill multiple deer each year on public land in 2G.

But other hunters in 2G are harvesting less than half as many buck as they did in 2002 and the antlerless harvest is also down over 50%.