Moutain Lion in Western NY?
11-30-2005, 10:41 AM
#41
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brockport, NY
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
Blueturk, you and me and Phade hear this same silliness every year, dont we, locally? If folks would just stop once and think through the logistics of these rumors, theyd travel no further. I like how you said "they heard it from someone who heard it from someone"etc etc. Isnt that always how it is? LOL, how true. Oh well, its all interesting, anyways.
11-30-2005, 04:22 PM
#42
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Caledonia, NY
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
Yes, Bill is seems like one of those revolving doors here!
In Nebraska, there had been reports of lions being spotted in a particular area, and it was not known if they were true sightings. A short time later, one was hit by a car, and confirmed by their game staff.
You'd think since we had the hundreds, maybe thousands of sightings every year, one would actually surface itself like it did in Nebraska.
In Nebraska, there had been reports of lions being spotted in a particular area, and it was not known if they were true sightings. A short time later, one was hit by a car, and confirmed by their game staff.
You'd think since we had the hundreds, maybe thousands of sightings every year, one would actually surface itself like it did in Nebraska.
11-30-2005, 05:22 PM
#43
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
and by the way to all you CLOSED MIND PEOPLE , a member in a hunting group fired 2 shots thanksgiving morning in stueben co. , at a MOUNTANLION , wanted it dead to show NYSDEC!!! no hits.
I was wondering when Bigfoot was going to be tossed into the conversation. Hell, I almost put it in there.
11-30-2005, 06:22 PM
#44
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
For the people who don't believe that lions could or do or roam in the east are very ignorant. They have done so in the past till hunted to extinction. Why is it impossible for them to do so today? OH,cause you say so,OK. Or are you that ignorant of a wild animals survival skills to excist anywhere it wants to?
Just because you haven't seen any or signs of them or stories from your friends make you correct on them not being around. Lions are very elusive animals,even out west. Without dogs to hunt them very few would be harvested or even observed in the wild. There is estimated 41,000 lions in the western states.How elusive they are. And if there was even 5 to 10 in the eastern states,only by chance do people see them.
Very ignorant and disrespectful to animals,Are the people who underestimate the survival and migration of a wild animals.Especially for predators like yotes and lions.
It's the same as yotes in eastern state.If they can migrate down from Canada and make theire home here in NY and Pa. Why can't a lion from the west with an estimated population of 41,000 migrate here and take up resident here also? I forgot because some people say they can't. How ignorant you are.
Just because you haven't seen any or signs of them or stories from your friends make you correct on them not being around. Lions are very elusive animals,even out west. Without dogs to hunt them very few would be harvested or even observed in the wild. There is estimated 41,000 lions in the western states.How elusive they are. And if there was even 5 to 10 in the eastern states,only by chance do people see them.
Very ignorant and disrespectful to animals,Are the people who underestimate the survival and migration of a wild animals.Especially for predators like yotes and lions.
It's the same as yotes in eastern state.If they can migrate down from Canada and make theire home here in NY and Pa. Why can't a lion from the west with an estimated population of 41,000 migrate here and take up resident here also? I forgot because some people say they can't. How ignorant you are.
11-30-2005, 08:09 PM
#45
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Moravia NY USA
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
And if there was even 5 to 10 in the eastern states,only by chance do people see them
As far as migration: I believe animals like coyotes EXPANDED their range. Lions would probably do the same. I find it hard to believe 5 to 10 would decide to "migrate" 2000 miles from the west and just pass thru all the states in between just to end up in NY.
You are pretty new here - do a search on this topic. You may find reasons for the doubt you see on this thread - this is not the 1st time it has been around. Then try joining the discussion without the feeble attempts at insulting.
Just my ignorant opinion.
11-30-2005, 08:48 PM
#46
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
I have no doubts about them being here or in other states from east to west. What would yousay telling them they are lieing. Insulting also. Do a search on each state and I promise you everyone has lion sightings.
But yes you are ignorant for not believeing they could exsist here in the wild. You seen that video. That was a lion. Released or migrated it is still a lion. That is some proof that they do roam here in the east. What about officials in NY believe they are here also. Well bad source.BUSH had WMD in Iraq.
Like I said,It's disrespect to the ability of a wild animal to survive here. When you disrespect a animal especially a lion that has skills to be elusive and survive is ignorant. And for the carcass and tracks. I didn't say there was 41,000 in the eastern state. I said there could be 5 to 10 of them in the eastern states. Put a needle in a haystack and see if you can find it.
But yes you are ignorant for not believeing they could exsist here in the wild. You seen that video. That was a lion. Released or migrated it is still a lion. That is some proof that they do roam here in the east. What about officials in NY believe they are here also. Well bad source.BUSH had WMD in Iraq.
Like I said,It's disrespect to the ability of a wild animal to survive here. When you disrespect a animal especially a lion that has skills to be elusive and survive is ignorant. And for the carcass and tracks. I didn't say there was 41,000 in the eastern state. I said there could be 5 to 10 of them in the eastern states. Put a needle in a haystack and see if you can find it.
11-30-2005, 09:10 PM
#47
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Moravia NY USA
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
Do a search on each state and I promise you everyone has lion sightings.
I have never said anyone was lying. Just questioned why with hundreds of reports, nobody has shown us even one piece of verifiable evidence to support their claims. If doubting a highly questionable claim is insulting, then someone has pretty thin skin.
Post some real proof - this is your chance to demonstrate who is ignorant. A wise person calling everyone who disagrees with him ignorant must have something to back his claim? Show us your wisdom.
And I am not sure what Iraq has to do with alleged lion sightings in NY - must be my ignorance.
11-30-2005, 11:16 PM
#48
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
I could have a 1000 pictures of lions and hrs of video with a vets statement saying thisdeerwaskilled by a large cat. You or anyone else who don't believe they roam the eastern states will still deny it until an official has seen the cat for themselves and verified it.There was one killed by a hunter in 1969 in Pa. and the GPC reported it as a released pet. I am not goanna even try to convence anyone who doesn't believe that they are here. But people who understand nature and how things occur over time know it is very much possible that they do excist here.
About Iraq. Why would you take the words of officials for sightings and beliefs and find out there never was such a thing. WMD
About Iraq. Why would you take the words of officials for sightings and beliefs and find out there never was such a thing. WMD
12-01-2005, 01:13 AM
#49
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
I have heard all of this and talked to some DEC guys who were in checking tags and ages at my brothers deer cutting operation. They kind of laughed at the young men who were blabbing to them about mountain lions. It's easy to tell if you see the tracks in the mud. A mountain lions tracks are bigger than a bobcats tracks, lets just say they are3-1/3 inches across or greater. A bobcats tracks will be between 2 to 2-1/2 inches across, if you see the tracks just pull out some string or whatever you have on youand lay it across the track and mark it and then go get a rule andmeasure it. I know there are bobcats here but I am very skeptical of there being any mountain lions around here. I won't say that it is impossible because we had a good sized alligator in the river here this year that someone had for a pet and let it go or it escaped. Maybe someone had a mountain lion for a pet and let it go or it escaped who knows. But that would be the only way in my opinion that one wouldbe here now.
12-01-2005, 02:41 AM
#50
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
I live in Deleware and to all who don't believe they are here in the east.
http://www.easterncougarnet.org/delaware_cougar_confirmations.htm
What other proof do you want other than to see them with your 2 eyes?
It is confirmed that they are here roaming the eastern states.
http://www.easterncougarnet.org/delaware_cougar_confirmations.htm
What other proof do you want other than to see them with your 2 eyes?
It is confirmed that they are here roaming the eastern states.
