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Old 03-12-2005 | 07:41 PM
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You dont see Sakos sold at a Walmart do you yet?
No, because they wouldn't sell 2 a year at most of their stores. As I stated before Wal-Mart kinda gears itself toward average folks and most average folks don't spend 1200 dollars on a rifle. But I can promise you this, Sako would be tickled s###less if Wal-Mart would keep their guns stocked on the shelf at their stores. And as I stated before, Wal-Mart can order you a Sako, Browning, Tikka or virtually anything else for half down up front and the other half on arrival.
Last gun I bought new was purchased at a local gunstore where the clerks know what a barrel,bolt and a stock is.
Glad thats the case at your local gun store. Most of the employees at the ones in my area don't know any more than the Wal-Mart people do. And most of the gun stores try to push you towards what they have in stock or what they want to sell. Two out of the three in my area couldn't be bothered to even order me a Tikka T-3. Instead they started telling me how Tikka's weren't any good and tried to show me something they already had. I hate that. I know what I want and I don't like being treated that way. The Wal-Mart employees don't care what I buy or order. They just say "yes sir, and sell me what I ask for"

It was a weatherby vanguard and it cost 365 in a 300 wsm ..lprice that out at Walmart. Before that it was a Remington 700 SS BDL for 575 price that out at Walmart.
I can order either at Wal-Mart. Whats your point?

Thanks to them we have the 710.
Oh please. Now it's Wal-Marts fault anytime a gun company produces a gun model thats a cheap POS. I'm 39 years old and trust me, cheap crappy guns have been around way longer than Wal-Mart.

Thanks to them we have the 710. You don't think any self respecting gun store would handle that now do you?
What! There's at least 5 on the rack of every gun store in this state.

I also suggest you take a course in reading comprehension and then enroll at your local college and take a lot of business courses and then maybe you'll be enlightened
I was in no way insulting to you in my posts and yet here you go questioning my IQ. You know someone has lost a debate when they resort to this. You are a little man with a little mind.
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Old 03-12-2005 | 08:56 PM
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was in no way insulting to you in my posts and yet here you go questioning my IQ. You know someone has lost a debate when they resort to this. You are a little man with a little mind.

Not insulting your IQ just your lack of business knowledge . Lost a debate hardly there was never any debate as far as my small mind figures. As far as a little man well lets just say it is easy to say those things when your a couple of hundred miles away and hiding behind your monitor. The beauty of the Internet. Have a good evening and enjoy your shopping at Walmart
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Old 03-12-2005 | 09:24 PM
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OK this is getting better every time I read it!!! We must remember, that the only thing that you can count on is (CHANGE). This will never stop,and just like buying a car, you will shop around for the best deal.Its your money. All gun companys have got to compete like any other company.
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Old 03-12-2005 | 09:55 PM
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Most of the people that like wallmart allso work for some one. They do not have any kind of business of there own.Wallmart kills the little guys. I have a small business and sell to difrant stores.Every time I talk to a big store it is LOWER the price and we will buy.I say the hell with big business. I will drop my price to save a little store way befor I would NEVER sell to wallmart at any price.People should go though all the BS to FINALY get to talk to a buyer to hear O YES WE WOULD LIKE TO BUY.CUT YOUR PRICE IN HALF AND WE HAVE A DEAL.The reason why businesses have to charge more money for items is they normaly pas there help more.

Good luck hope wallmart pays that o so high wadge, so you can give it back to them.
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Old 03-12-2005 | 11:07 PM
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Not insulting your IQ just your lack of business knowledge .
Suggesting that someone should take a reading comprehension course has absolutely nothing to do with business knowledge and is definately an implied insult to their mental abilities. Maybe it's you that needs the reading comprehension course if you failed to grasp that.

As far as a little man well lets just say it is easy to say those things when your a couple of hundred miles away and hiding behind your monitor.
Not hiding. And it wouldn't do you any good if you were any closer anyway. There is nothing you would or could do.

Have a good evening and enjoy your shopping at Walmart
I will and you enjoy paying 200 more dollars for the same gun delivered off the same truck to Redneck Bob's Country Bunker and Gun Emporium. Cause that extra 200 will make it shoot much better.
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Old 03-13-2005 | 07:32 AM
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There would be no difference between regular production firearms between Walmart and your local Gunshop. Now when Remington and Leupold sold their souls to the Devil(Walmart) their quality went right down the tube , any doubts see Rifleman scopes and compare a 700 built in the mid 80's with current production.
oldelkhunter, what don’t you understand about quality? Each manufacturer has different classes of scopes. For an example, take a look at Bushnell’s Sportman scopes and their Elite series. The Leupold Rifleman scope is of poorer quality compared to their other scopes.

There seems to be a heavy toll in quality when you have to sell stuff to Walmart maybe thats why they like their Chinese sellers so much.
Last time I looked, Gander Mountain was selling BSA scopes. They’re made in China. I also have a Winchester knife made in China. I suggest you take a look at your shoes. You’re so oblivious; many items are made in foreign countries.

They don't discount Remingtons and Brownings and Rugers that much but probably buy in such bulk which beats up quality that they make their money that way and in the process affect the product that everyone else gets.
The manufacturer sets quality control. Wally World has nothing to do with it. Take a look at Sako, Tikka and Benelli they set their quality much higher than Remington.

I would love to be able to buy guns from Wal-Mart at Wal-Mart prices but Wal-Mart does not sell guns in its California stores.
Firearms and ammunition are only obtainable at Wally World stores licensed to sell firearms.

Blah Blah Blah thats why the corporations that sell guns to them and everyone else need to have their products cheapened. You dont see Sakos sold at a Walmart do you yet?
Walmart sells Weatherby Mark V rifles. That’s unquestionably an expensive rifle. The Wally World near me has a special order gun book at the sporting goods counter. If it's in there, they will order it for you. Prices listed look excellent.

It was a weatherby vanguard and it cost 365 in a 300 wsm ..lprice that out at Walmart. Before that it was a Remington 700 SS BDL for 575 price that out at Walmart.
oldelkhunter, I guess you missed out on Wally World’s clearance on some rifles.

Our firearms because of Walmart are inferior to what they were 20 years ago and they are a big cause of the problem..
The steel in the majority of today's mass produced rifles is far better-quality to the top rifles offered 50 years ago. Today's inexpensive Wally World specials are superior than most of the custom rifles of 30 years ago. Modern manufacturing, quality control, design, and materials are so far enhanced. People used to think one inch groups were extraordinary. Nowadays it’s common, even from moderately inexpensive guns. Fifty years ago, people would be impressed if you got more than 80,000 miles on a vehicle, and they'd be in awe at how well you took care of it. Today, we more often than not buy used cars with that many miles on them and drive them for years longer. I'd be interested to know how much the prices of rifles have altered over the years and why. I am 17 years old, and I’m intrigued when wiser guys like you speak of the older rifles and the differences in excellence that I may have missed.

Thanks to them we have the 710.
Remington created the 710 because they wanted to compete with the Savage lineup. Some people can’t manage to pay for the higher price rifles, so they buy less expensive ones. The Model 710 fills a niche that has been begged to be filled for rather a lengthy time now.

oldelkhunter, what are your thoughts on the Spartan lineup? Is this Wally World’s fault?
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Old 03-13-2005 | 11:32 AM
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Man you guys are hard on Oldelkhunter . OEH like all of us are entitled to our opinions.If you agree or not makes no difference.Attacking one another gets us nowhere.I used to be a big fan of Walmarts.I still go to them,but nothing like I use to.Walmart has become a monopoly.Down here the Super WM's with their Grocery store. There are food chains that have been here for years.Walmart has really hurt them.It's been in the newspaper where Winn Dixie is in real trouble.Once WM runs everyone else out of business,what will stop them from raking people over the coals with higher prices.I didn't look at it this way when WM first started. I saw a way to save money.Now I'm looking on the other side of the coin.Walmart has gotten to powerful,trying to run the little man out.When they eventually do it will cost us all more in the end.Sam Walton created a monster.Without competition WM will have the free open range to roam,at our expense.WM use to say "Bring it back to the USA".Look around now it's almost all Chinese junk.I can't speak for WM across the nation. Soark says they are good to work for.I know people here that do or have worked for WM.Just about all of them say WM treats their Employees like crap.We need to stop this monster before we get swallowed up by this giant monopoly,that's if it isn't to late already.

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Old 03-13-2005 | 11:42 AM
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We need to stop this monster before we get swallowed up by this giant monopoly,that's if it isn't to late already.
If you can't beat them, join them.
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Old 03-13-2005 | 11:57 AM
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We need to stop this monster before we get swallowed up by this giant monopoly,that's if it isn't to late already.
If you can't beat them, join them.
Welcome to the forum Buckmaster9

Like I said you're entitled to your opinion.That's why WM has taken over people thinking the way you do.I might be wrong but you'll regret it in the future. I have bought guns for WM.They are same guns anybody else sells.The little guy needs our business more then WM does. If you can afford to spend a few more dollars helping the mom and pop shops out,we'll all be better off.

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Old 03-13-2005 | 01:37 PM
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People used to think one inch groups were extraordinary. Nowadays it’s common, even from moderately inexpensive guns.
Amen, today you can get a lowly Savage bolt action rifle with the new accutrigger for less than 400 dollars that will shoot circles around 90 percent the top end guns produced by all the gun companies 50 years ago.

Last time I looked, Gander Mountain was selling BSA scopes. They’re made in China. I also have a Winchester knife made in China. I suggest you take a look at your shoes. You’re so oblivious; many items are made in foreign countries.
Exactly. To single Wal-Mart out for selling these type products is a tad unfair. To go even further and suggest that these companies wouldn't be making these products in foreign countries if it weren't for Wal-Mart is just a naive ridiculous fantasy. I wish someone would kindly point out the large nation wide retailer that doesn't handle any foreign goods. Cabelas? Gander Mountain? Bass Pro Shop? Ha, I don't think so. Even that quaint little mom and pop store down on the corner is packed to the gills with made in china goods.

The manufacturer sets quality control. Wally World has nothing to do with it.
Thank you. I promise you the Remington model 710 rifle would still exist even if Wal-Mart didn't. The Remington model 742 woodmaster existed before wally world and it was a P.O.S. Whose fault was that?

The Wally World near me has a special order gun book at the sporting goods counter.
A little known fact that I have also mentioned a couple of times. Most people would be quite shocked at what they can order and at what price.

Man you guys are hard on Oldelkhunter .
Go back and check who became rude and started flinging unprovoked personal insults first.

Once WM runs everyone else out of business,what will stop them from raking people over the coals with higher prices.
People refusing to pay it. Free market economy. They are other large chain stores out there that would pounce in a second if Wal-Mart jacked up it's prices too high. And I just don't understand why Wal-Mart is the only company that catches this heat. What effect do you think a Lowes or Home Depot has on the small hardware stores in a town they come to? Yet I don't hear people saying, "oh my God what will we do when Lowes is the only place we can buy a hammer." You talk about Wal-Mart hurting Winn Dixie but you do realize that Winn Dixie is a large chain store as well. There were even smaller local owned grocery stores when comapanies like Winn Dixie, Delchamps, Super Foods, Food World and Piggly Wiggly first moved to town. What effect do you think these chain store had on those little mom and pop outfits? They crushed them. Why don't people hate all the stores I just listed for putting those mom and pop stores out of business?
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