DRT Frangible Ammo
03-20-2008, 10:13 AM
#41
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Montrose, MI
Posts: 713
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
There's been plenty of "attitude" going both ways.
03-20-2008, 10:54 AM
#42
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Republic of Texas
Posts: 12,040
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
It would have been nice if the discussion could have been a little more polite on both sides. It's a good thing to learn about new technology, and a rancorous discussion is not conducive to learning... None of us have experience with this round, therefore, it is not appropriate to simply dismiss it out of hand. On the other hand, it is appropriate to ask questions about things like bone penetration and to point out that no real hunter is going to intentionally gut shoot an animal. It's also appropriate to vigorously defend your product. But a degree of civility should be exercised on all sides.
03-20-2008, 10:56 AM
#43
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Where the ducks don't come no more
Posts: 4,420
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
ORIGINAL: longrifle1000
And as for the "wound that is about the dimensions of a size 5 soccer ball", I didn't know soccer balls came in different sizes. And where is the proof of this claim? Show me a slab of balistics gel, that shows wound dimensions and penetration depths.
And as for the "wound that is about the dimensions of a size 5 soccer ball", I didn't know soccer balls came in different sizes. And where is the proof of this claim? Show me a slab of balistics gel, that shows wound dimensions and penetration depths.
An 8" diameter wound cavity on a whitetail deer, at least on your average size doe in my part of the world, may very well cut it in half.
S1, good luck with your future endeavors.
03-20-2008, 11:17 AM
#44
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,329
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
If it's still edible then you could carry it more easily!
I'm still waiting for a bullet that will dress and butcher a deer. Just have to dust the meat off and put it in butcher paper.
Tom
I'm still waiting for a bullet that will dress and butcher a deer. Just have to dust the meat off and put it in butcher paper.
Tom
03-20-2008, 11:57 AM
#45
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,688
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
They do come in sizes. A size 5 is the largest, and is standard for high school, collegiate and FIFA play. Essentially, its regulation size. It has a diameter right around 8 inches, and a circumference of between 27-28" to comply with international rules. The smaller sizes are used for smaller players, such as younger children. For perspective purposes, its larger than a volleyball and slightly smaller than a basketball.
An 8" diameter wound cavity on a whitetail deer, at least on your average size doe in my part of the world, may very well cut it in half.
S1, good luck with your future endeavors.
ORIGINAL: longrifle1000
And as for the "wound that is about the dimensions of a size 5 soccer ball", I didn't know soccer balls came in different sizes. And where is the proof of this claim? Show me a slab of balistics gel, that shows wound dimensions and penetration depths.
And as for the "wound that is about the dimensions of a size 5 soccer ball", I didn't know soccer balls came in different sizes. And where is the proof of this claim? Show me a slab of balistics gel, that shows wound dimensions and penetration depths.
An 8" diameter wound cavity on a whitetail deer, at least on your average size doe in my part of the world, may very well cut it in half.
S1, good luck with your future endeavors.
And again I will state: My question has still not been answered. I'm not saying it doesn't work. But I'm not going to blindly follow along without these substantial claims being explained.
03-20-2008, 01:41 PM
#46
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 26
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
I have answered the bone question in a previous post, here it is again for those of you that were adjusting your monitors or may have missed it.
"There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology.
Notice that this answer was in a post that was NEVER EDITED. It shows how fake and misleading certain posters are claiming that I never addressed the question about the shoulder bone performance. For the record, I have shot many elk, several bears, a moose, and countless deer, all were quartering towards me shots where even the lightest compressed cores had no problem penetrating the shoulder bones.
It is a shame that some are so misleading as to claim I have not addressed this issue. While we are at it, lets revisit some of the other myths these ladies continue to try and propagate.
1. I do not advocate gut shooting animals, NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.
2. I do not own any shares in the company or own any of the patents. I have no financial stake in their success of failure.
3. I am a trained sniper and mechanical engineer, and have tested most of these products for accuracy, external and terminal ballistics at extreme range.
4. I have hunted with these projectiles for over a decade, and have deployed with these projectiles. I have witnessed many other people kill with these projectiles and filmed some of the events.
5. If you can not understand what variable core compression can do for a penetration profile, there is no helping you and I will not explain it again. Leave this bullet technology to the professionals and keep shooting lead, I don't care.
6. Swamppuppy, please put your money where your mouth is, I am holding the proof, and a dishonest POS like you needs a lesson. I am not going anywhere, and I am sure a guy like longrifle 1000 will hold the cash.
7. If you have a 30 cal. magnum, you can always buy a box of 200 grainers and split them up among your friends and go kill something, kind of like "CLUE YOUR SELF IN".
8. These bullets are denser than lead, and more lethal. These are no gimmick as some of the liars have claimed. This technology has been in the hands of our best operators for over a DECADE, and has proven itself thousands of times in the real world, you know, that place some of you refuse to visit.
"There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology.
Notice that this answer was in a post that was NEVER EDITED. It shows how fake and misleading certain posters are claiming that I never addressed the question about the shoulder bone performance. For the record, I have shot many elk, several bears, a moose, and countless deer, all were quartering towards me shots where even the lightest compressed cores had no problem penetrating the shoulder bones.
It is a shame that some are so misleading as to claim I have not addressed this issue. While we are at it, lets revisit some of the other myths these ladies continue to try and propagate.
1. I do not advocate gut shooting animals, NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.
2. I do not own any shares in the company or own any of the patents. I have no financial stake in their success of failure.
3. I am a trained sniper and mechanical engineer, and have tested most of these products for accuracy, external and terminal ballistics at extreme range.
4. I have hunted with these projectiles for over a decade, and have deployed with these projectiles. I have witnessed many other people kill with these projectiles and filmed some of the events.
5. If you can not understand what variable core compression can do for a penetration profile, there is no helping you and I will not explain it again. Leave this bullet technology to the professionals and keep shooting lead, I don't care.
6. Swamppuppy, please put your money where your mouth is, I am holding the proof, and a dishonest POS like you needs a lesson. I am not going anywhere, and I am sure a guy like longrifle 1000 will hold the cash.
7. If you have a 30 cal. magnum, you can always buy a box of 200 grainers and split them up among your friends and go kill something, kind of like "CLUE YOUR SELF IN".
8. These bullets are denser than lead, and more lethal. These are no gimmick as some of the liars have claimed. This technology has been in the hands of our best operators for over a DECADE, and has proven itself thousands of times in the real world, you know, that place some of you refuse to visit.
03-20-2008, 02:17 PM
#47
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Columbia SC USA
Posts: 376
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
ORIGINAL: S1
here it is again for those of you that were adjusting your skirts or may be illiterate:
here it is again for those of you that were adjusting your skirts or may be illiterate:
By the way I cannot even imagine the amount of blood shot meat these would cause!
Longrifle,
Thanks. I always get those confused.
mello
