You keep wanting to make some bet... Iuse a cliche and everybody takes it to the bank! Why would I pay money for something that I think is snake oil? I'm not going to bother with them because I don't give a rip what the "SS" uses. I'm not some paramilitary elite GI Joeguy. I'm a hunter. All of this rambling and acronyms doesn't amount to anything. I don't care what other people do. I can shoot. I don't need "sniper training" or a bullet that makes a hole size of a soccer ball to harvest game.

Everyone on this thread took you literally when you said that you had worked on the design of this bullet. Now you start backing out and spinning what you said. Using a product in its developmental stages isn't exactly working on it.

No.

I haven't BS'd anybody. All I did was call BS. And I still am.

Most of what I see is your crap, and everyone else calling BS on you.

Everything starts as an idea... does it not?

I suppose this is why you shouldn't use cliche's.... people tend to get carried away. Point in case proven here.

No if you will kindly get over your obsecession with dragging me back into this topic, I'll leave it be.

" You're not interested in a civil discussion of the product. Take your nine posts and Leave."

I started with a civil discussion of the technology. It was your buddies that brought on the crap and continue to heap on the BS. You and your girlfriends are dead wrong about the original issues of bullet technology on this thread, and have done nothing but throw up smoke screens to hide your ignorance. I bet you would like to kill the messenger at this point, you have not been right about anything.

ipscshooter - Do you need your mommy?

What? You want me to PAY you so you can prove how good of a bullet it is? Are you serious? Your the one that needs to put up or....you know the rest.

Man, you don't quit do you. I'm 50 years old and have been practicing law for 25 years. I shoot sporting clays and IPSC matches competitively, have been deer hunting for the last 10 years or so, am a life member of the NRA, and hold a martial arts black belt. No, I don't "need my mommy". All I wanted was a civil discussion, not a bunch of insults from someone who has never met me, and knows less about me than I know about his bullets...

Swamp puppy says, " I haven't BS'd anybody. All I did was call BS. And I still am."

" Everything starts as an idea... does it not? "

There have been two points of contention (Myths) from some of the morons here......

1. The Secret Service does not use this ammo

2. The bullets won't penetrate shoulder bone.


Unfortunately for Swamppuppy and the other morons, the evidence that proves y'all clueless is already in the public domain. So it is past time for me to call BS on a bunch of mouthy know nothing punks.

As far as the second issue about bone penetration, just order the Video of Irlene Mandrell drilling a Gemsbock in Africa with the 200 grain bullet. The show was aired and called "Expedition Safari" and reruns can be watched on the VS. channel if you are cheap or just lame.

So how much harder do you need to be smacked with your own BS flag....?

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You answered ONE out of FOUR.

And of course you answered the one that doesn't really mean anything to us hunters or really to anyone since you could have made all those numbers up...

IPSCSHOOTER - "All I wanted was a civil discussion,"

Yeah, that is all I wanted, but that is not what we got. What we got was a bunch of wifflesticks making claims about bullets they have never even fired one time, much less killed anything with it. You can BS an idiot, but not an operator. Too bad your buds ran their fool mouths about something I have used for over a decade.


Jeepunk - Get a job, then you can afford a TV or a VHS. Not my job to educate a lazy punk like you.

Its pretty simple, SHOW US SOME PROOF THAT THEY WORK! Don't just say that the SS uses them so they must be be best thing since sliced bread.

CONVINCE US!

The only way a moron like you will be convinced is to kill something yourself with them, now we are back to you actually getting a job, see how hard life can be for a slacker? Your skull is thicker than any shoulder bone, so why not test first on your own skull.....and let us know how it works.....it will probably just splash.....