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RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
Bigtime ,It in not ilegal to kill a turkey in Va. duting deer season (if turkey is in at the time) but it is not a good practice the bullets tend to blow bone splinters through the meat and ruining the bird.30 yards at the base of the throat had enough comfort level for me to take the shot just like any shot it should be what you feel comfortable with.I try to limit my B/P shot to 150 yards max but some times I might strech it a bit.I don't have a reange finder anymore after the break-in.Thats why I said steps in my first post.I buy the best equipment I can afford or I save my money untill I can.Thats why I bought the Encore.I don't know how some of you feel but I think it's kinda like bow hunting if you are also a gun hunter.There you are witha string and a stick about 100 yards away there stands bullwinkle. might as well pick up a rock but in your mind you know that if you had your rifle he would be yours not a good feeling .The same goes with the old side locks .extending your limits are increasing your odds not diminishing your prowess as a hunter.Now this is just my opinion I believe that the majority of shots rangeare determined by where you are hunting,what you are hunting, and how good of a hunter you are.Where I live I might have a 20 yard shot or I could have a 400 yard shot.I WILL have the equipment to have the confidence to take either shot if I feel so.Some people on this board live in places where a 300 yard shot might be as close as they can get.Let's see some of these mega hunters walk right up face to face with a 'lope and blast his ass.I am not trying to be critical well yes I am.Some of us have been around here for a pretty good while. Everything usually goes smooth.Most of the time when we have problems is when some noob pops up and spurts out some load of crap to stir things up.Sorry about getting iff of the original post.But this gets trying after a while.If you can hit consistant with a B/P at 200 shoot the dang thing 200.If you can't shoot it at 50 put it up.;)Ya'll make me mad and I' start up caliber of the week again..............
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RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
kinda odd he join yesterday abd it is the only post
ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: HowardRoark I must say after reading this whole post about the only one who does get it is vabyrd. The desire to get techinally better gear is not to enhance the hunting experience for the average hunter; it is to increase the kill ratio, period. People, defining themselves internally by external measures (in many hunters' cases antlers, record books, bragging rights etc..) have always sought to increase their 'sucess' (as measure by others) so that they develop new ways in which to compete against the others whose approval they seek. The idea of a muzzleloading season was to allow those Luddites who preferred to use, or thought there was challenge in using 'traditional' black powder weapons to hunt. (In order to understand what was considered 'traditional' black powder, it would be necessary to compare the muzzleloading weapons existant at the time such season was created.) In general (like archery) this equated a much shorter hunting range and therefore more skill was needed to kill game. Now, hunters (in actuality, people desiring to sell hunters products) have invented 'muzzleloaders' that are as capable of accuracy and have the range of many modern rifles. This is counter to why a muzzleloading season was created and futher proof that many hunters, hiding behind the translucent veil of the 'letter of the law' in regards to what legally constitutes a muzzleloader, seek to not endure more challenge in hunting by limiting their effective range (note I did not say lethality, accuracy, effectiveness), rather to increase their 'success' in the form of more kills, which provide only meager and temporary sustenance for their insecurities. _Howard |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
i would also like to say i started hunting with a 3030 then a ar15 then i got a bow this year i hunted bow only
i wont a muzzleloader to get out alittle farther then the bow i love the bow and since i have not got a kill i will use the bow till i do i am amazed at how far the mls shoot i figured a 100 yards were pushing it but now i hear 150 or even 200 yards i think 100 to 150 will improve my changes alot i know a puplic area that is 80 yards to 120 yards wide 500 long with a hill in the middle about a 40 to 50 degree up angle i can either set up on either side or on the hill with a muzzleloader but it is useless for a bow as it is weeds and it would be hard to get a deer within 40 yards |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
When it comes to BP I fall into the traditional category. For hunting I use a flintlock (Lyman Deerstalker or Great Plains) 90gr. of FF Goex. If shooting patched round ball I like to keep shots to 100 yards max and if using a maxi I'll stretch it to 125 yards if setup for the shot is right. Luckily all my shots up to date have been on average in the 35 yard range with about 70 yards being the farthest I've had to take a shot.
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RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
ORIGINAL: HowardRoark I must say after reading this whole post about the only one who does get it is vabyrd. The desire to get techinally better gear is not to enhance the hunting experience for the average hunter; it is to increase the kill ratio, period. People, defining themselves internally by external measures (in many hunters' cases antlers, record books, bragging rights etc..) have always sought to increase their 'sucess' (as measure by others) so that they develop new ways in which to compete against the others whose approval they seek. The idea of a muzzleloading season was to allow those Luddites who preferred to use, or thought there was challenge in using 'traditional' black powder weapons to hunt. (In order to understand what was considered 'traditional' black powder, it would be necessary to compare the muzzleloading weapons existant at the time such season was created.) In general (like archery) this equated a much shorter hunting range and therefore more skill was needed to kill game. Now, hunters (in actuality, people desiring to sell hunters products) have invented 'muzzleloaders' that are as capable of accuracy and have the range of many modern rifles. This is counter to why a muzzleloading season was created and futher proof that many hunters, hiding behind the translucent veil of the 'letter of the law' in regards to what legally constitutes a muzzleloader, seek to not endure more challenge in hunting by limiting their effective range (note I did not say lethality, accuracy, effectiveness), rather to increase their 'success' in the form of more kills, which provide only meager and temporary sustenance for their insecurities. _Howard The phrase that I highlighted above is specifically my favorite from this "anonymous" poser...oops,I mean poster. It's like a river of ignorance... |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
First off, is there some rule which states pertinence or intelligence only comes with posting often? This is a public, free forum and I shall treat it as such.
Second, if you care to refute what I say, please do so on an item-by-item case. Making blanket statements such as 'river of ignorance' only serves to comment on your inability to respond coherently to the ideas presented. If you disagree, show me where I am wrong, otherwise keep your comments to yourself. Third, if I were vabyrd, I would be posting as such. _Howard |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
ORIGINAL: HowardRoark I must say after reading this whole post about the only one who does get it is vabyrd. The desire to get techinally better gear is not to enhance the hunting experience for the average hunter; it is to increase the kill ratio, period. People, defining themselves internally by external measures (in many hunters' cases antlers, record books, bragging rights etc..) have always sought to increase their 'sucess' (as measure by others) so that they develop new ways in which to compete against the others whose approval they seek. The idea of a muzzleloading season was to allow those Luddites who preferred to use, or thought there was challenge in using 'traditional' black powder weapons to hunt. (In order to understand what was considered 'traditional' black powder, it would be necessary to compare the muzzleloading weapons existant at the time such season was created.) In general (like archery) this equated a much shorter hunting range and therefore more skill was needed to kill game. Now, hunters (in actuality, people desiring to sell hunters products) have invented 'muzzleloaders' that are as capable of accuracy and have the range of many modern rifles. This is counter to why a muzzleloading season was created and futher proof that many hunters, hiding behind the translucent veil of the 'letter of the law' in regards to what legally constitutes a muzzleloader, seek to not endure more challenge in hunting by limiting their effective range (note I did not say lethality, accuracy, effectiveness), rather to increase their 'success' in the form of more kills, which provide only meager and temporary sustenance for their insecurities. _Howard Second, the ML season today is more of a tool for deer managment for special early seasons. Not for one group of people who wants to pretend to be danial boone for day with a coon skin hat. Third, any ML shooting roundballs are deadly up to 100 yards easy. Considering 90% of all kills are less than 100 yards even with centerfires, your arguement there is fairly rediculus. Only huge benefit I see out of my inlines is reliable firing and ease ofcleaning. And even then, special attention will ensure that isn't an issue. I own em all. Ishot em all, and killed with my sidelocks up to 70 yards. Only reason there is more success, is because there ismore hunters now in the woods. Imagine how use archers felt when they added special ML seasons right smack dab in the middle of our season. |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
Bigcountry and Ridge Runner did a better job thanI can do, but I will take a crack at this.
I must say after reading this whole post about the only one who does get it is vabyrd. The desire to get techinally better gear is not to enhance the hunting experience for the average hunter; it is to increase the kill ratio, period. People, defining themselves internally by external measures (in many hunters' cases antlers, record books, bragging rights etc..) have always sought to increase their 'sucess' (as measure by others) so that they develop new ways in which to compete against the others whose approval they seek. The idea of a muzzleloading season was to allow those Luddites who preferred to use, or thought there was challenge in using 'traditional' black powder weapons to hunt. (In order to understand what was considered 'traditional' black powder, it would be necessary to compare the muzzleloading weapons existant at the time such season was created.) In general (like archery) this equated a much shorter hunting range and therefore more skill was needed to kill game. Now, hunters (in actuality, people desiring to sell hunters products) have invented 'muzzleloaders' that are as capable of accuracy and have the range of many modern rifles. This is counter to why a muzzleloading season was created and futher proof that many hunters, hiding behind the translucent veil of the 'letter of the law' in regards to what legally constitutes a muzzleloader, seek to not endure more challenge in hunting by limiting their effective range (note I did not say lethality, accuracy, effectiveness), rather to increase their 'success' in the form of more kills, which provide only meager and temporary sustenance for their insecurities. Merry Christmaseveryone! Go out there and hunt legally and ethicallyby whatever means you choose, and beglad that others are not forcing their views on you! |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
i do have a issue with one said
how is it any harder to hunt at 100 yards then it is at 200 yards heck tome the longer shot and smaller view of the animal would make a 200 yards shot harder then a 100 yard shot now if your talking a 30 yard shot thats one thing i think it s harder under 5 but anything over that is alot easier less scent issues less the deer see you ORIGINAL: HowardRoark First off, is there some rule which states pertinence or intelligence only comes with posting often? This is a public, free forum and I shall treat it as such. Second, if you care to refute what I say, please do so on an item-by-item case. Making blanket statements such as 'river of ignorance' only serves to comment on your inability to respond coherently to the ideas presented. If you disagree, show me where I am wrong, otherwise keep your comments to yourself. Third, if I were vabyrd, I would be posting as such. _Howard |
RE: how fardo you shoot a muzzleloader
ORIGINAL: HowardRoark First off, is there some rule which states pertinence or intelligence only comes with posting often? This is a public, free forum and I shall treat it as such. Second, if you care to refute what I say, please do so on an item-by-item case. Making blanket statements such as 'river of ignorance' only serves to comment on your inability to respond coherently to the ideas presented. If you disagree, show me where I am wrong, otherwise keep your comments to yourself. Third, if I were vabyrd, I would be posting as such. _Howard |
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