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Guys think that getting close means they are incredible hunters. It means they suck because they can't shoot well.

LOL, see how ridiculous this is?

The river flows deep and widefrom some of us.

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now that is the funnyest post i have read good stuff man lol

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it ant about how close or how far you are how big the deer is or how many you kill or with what
it is about is getting out there and haveing fun with what ever is fun for you

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Does it not matter in what manner you kill your deer? Under what circumstances? If a dead deer is the goal of your hunting endeavors you have missed the point of hunting.

I never stated the level of my education until it was implied it was lacking, so, I did not raise the issue, you did.

Lacking cable TV does not make you immune to the propoganda of the hunting industry. You have Internet and that has been shown to be way more effective in convincing you to buy what manufacturers want you to. I would suurmise you spend more time on internet websites than you would in front of cable if you had it, so please do not be naive enough to think you are free from the bullseye of marketing.

I do not need to personaly insult anyone here to get my point across and have not done so, it would be foolish to think I knew anyone here well enough to do so, yet it is quite apparent that others fee free to attack me personally. If you read my original post you will see no personal attacks whatsoever, there are only genralities which are used to illustrate an idea. It is called an exchange of ideas, not of insults.

Howard

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I kill one deer a year, in a state where I could kill many more if I really wanted. Why, because I only want one a year. And I don't trophy hunt either. Why, because I hunt for myself not someone else. I use an inline muzzle loader, but to be honest I rarely use it in muzzle loader season. By then I have usually already killed the one deer a year I want and can consume. And it's really cold here in muzzle loader season:D. We can't use rifles where I live, it's either shotguns or muzzle loaders during gun season. I have owned both and feel my muzzle loader is more accurate and affords me more range so that is what I use.

I bow hunt as well.

So your assumption that I use more technical weapons in order to increase my kill ratio or brag about the size and amount of deer I kill is completely off base. At least in my case anyway. I am really not very competitive at all and could care less what someone else thinks about the size or amount of deer I kill.

I have been on the this site for a long time, ask anyone else if I brag about killing deer. I rarely even talk about it. And I usually only post about it if someone asks, and then I am hesitant.

New bows, inlines, rifled shotguns and high powered rifles are simply tools for some of us. Using different tools lets us hunt different times of the year or for longer periods during the year. I will use what ever is the most effective tool I have for the season I am hunting. Lets be honest, in the end we are there to take game. If we were not we wouldn't be using weapons. If I just wanted to walk around and look at animals all day I could do it a lot cheaper on a game preserve with a camera.

By the way, I am pretty sure this site employs spell check, if not I can tell you how to get it.

Paul

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speeking of getting close I was stalking then came up to this uncut acre of corn,started crawling on my stomick and side going row by row(new there were deer in it)got about 6-7 rows in stuck my head arrowd some stalks and was looking right at the hind end of a deer(about 8 feet)the one in front busted me and I crapped my shorts the deer farted and about 11 deer took off out of the corn.That is the most memrable stalk Ive done to date,it was the late fall of 94......Ive had other fun stalks but not as crazy as this.
What Iam sayng is that since I don t shoot far I must be a bad hunter for Ihave to get so close;).......I knew the deer were there just not on the S.E corner,thought they were on the west/northwest side nxt to the wind row.....

Did I tell you I site my ML in at 75yrds with open/iron sites/sights,O-ya my 30-30 is in at 75 also open sights....200yrds for my 30-06 w/4.5x11x42 scope,can get 400yrds too.....so there....

Should say that I dont hunt open country all woods around me and 97% of the last 24yrs its been only bow.

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Paul,

Please read the last paragraph of my post again. The most transparent was of attacking WHAT a person said when they do not have a lucid response is to attack HOW they said it (including spelling). Can you now understand that have the inability to engage in meaningful conversation versus slinging insults as proven by your response?

If you read my first post and do not find yourself as being described, then ignore it, it does not pertain to you individually. However, if you find yourself included in the generalities I made, then you have a rationale for debate.

Howard

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The ML might shoot out to 250 yds. But the shooter might not be capable of making that long shot. I wouldn't shoot my Encore over 150yds. That's just me.

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i did not insult nor did i say anything about your education level as mine is not high enough to put down anyones but i do not think a education level is a sign of intelligence i know alot of people that are stupid but went through 4 years of collage
i thinkanyone who just goes out to kill is not a hunter but we all have the same goal of harvesting an animal i have went four years with out a kill andevery hunt i leave with a smile on my face and
i can say in the last four years i have learned alot from scent control to deer movement to where to sit.
it does matter what manner you hunt in and what circumstance
but we all use gear weapons product that are not the original means
i am sure when man first walked he did not justgrab a rock and throw it
or make a bow .
we as humans strive to improve are lives hunting and everything else thats what separates us from the primates and animals
unless you go out there in a deer skin outfit holding a rock you are

hunting the same way we all do look at it like this
in the time following the civil war we started using lever action rifles
then after the 2nd world war we started using bolt action and now today we start using Ar's which i have.
when we stop making technology because it makes hunting easier or driving easier or working easier we fail as a species in this universe

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90 to 95 grains of goex 3F in my flinters 50 and 54 and a RB for me is 100 yard ma: in the field
My T/C Thunderhawk inline scope is a different story 200 yard target 85 grains of triple 777 and a buffalo 375 HPBT will print 15" low with a dead center hold from a bench