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Old 03-13-2007 | 03:05 PM
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Fornra i was referring to a 70 grain barnes loaded in a 22-250, and i know for a fact that this combination will completly penetrate a deer lengthwise and will stop 3/4 of the way through a moose lengthwise. A broadside shot it will always go through a deer, and unless it hits some ribs on entrace and exit it will go through a moose also. If you dont beleive me try it.
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Old 03-16-2007 | 09:11 PM
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Going through a couple layers of thin sheet metal and upholstery with FMJ doesn't mean it would go through heavy hide very heavy bone and certainly wouldn't do sufficient organ damage to bring such an animal down.
Why do you even suggest something hypothetically? Use the right tool to do the job right in the first place. Don't give the impressionable some crazy ideas to go out and try a foolish stunt and cripple a big game animal.
If you consider this even a little on the hot seat. Sorry man, you earned this one.

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Old 03-19-2007 | 08:14 AM
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we have cars from previous law suits all over our yard and weve shot the crap out of them with everything from 22's to 45-70. all will easily go through a car and whats remarkable is how the .22 will leave a dime size hole through both driver and passenger side doors if if shot within 25 yards from the side of the car. Engine blocks are another thing though. Most bullets around .270 or larger do some good damage to the side of the engine block but most of them do not go completelty throgh the engine until it has been literally shot to heck nultiple times. the metal on the doors is usually 3/32nds of an inch which isnt gonne stop anything bigger than a bb gun so dont let the thought of "the bullet went through a car" get over emphasized.A two inch thick shoulder bone has considerably more stopping power than the metalused to manufacture most fenders and firewalls on modern vehicles.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 12:14 PM
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Going through a couple layers of thin sheet metal and upholstery with FMJ doesn't mean it would go through heavy hide very heavy bone and certainly wouldn't do sufficient organ damage to bring such an animal down.
Why do you even suggest something hypothetically? Use the right tool to do the job right in the first place. Don't give the impressionable some crazy ideas to go out and try a foolish stunt and cripple a big game animal.
If you consider this even a little on the hot seat. Sorry man, you earned this one.
He's just curious, you moron! He didn't earn anything from you! And I see no way someone would get encouraged to hunt moose with a .223 when they could have a 30-06!
I would get the '06for my sake, not the animal's, since bull moose could get angry and kill people. If someoneunderestimates a bull moose's killing potential when angered and decides to hunt them with something that will make them mad, I hope they hunt moose with a .223 and get killed!!!! They are theones who "earned it".
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Old 03-19-2007 | 01:06 PM
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I have used a normal .223 to hunt deer and have drop them dead in there tracks at 150 yards. It is all about the right shot place ment.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 04:14 PM
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Going through a couple layers of thin sheet metal and upholstery with FMJ doesn't mean it would go through heavy hide very heavy bone and certainly wouldn't do sufficient organ damage to bring such an animal down.
Why do you even suggest something hypothetically? Use the right tool to do the job right in the first place. Don't give the impressionable some crazy ideas to go out and try a foolish stunt and cripple a big game animal.
If you consider this even a little on the hot seat. Sorry man, you earned this one.
He's just curious, you moron! He didn't earn anything from you! And I see no way someone would get encouraged to hunt moose with a .223 when they could have a 30-06!
I would get the '06for my sake, not the animal's, since bull moose could get angry and kill people. If someoneunderestimates a bull moose's killing potential when angered and decides to hunt them with something that will make them mad, I hope they hunt moose with a .223 and get killed!!!! They are theones who "earned it".
I was respectful to the originator of this thread, more than it deserved. In contrast, your insult toward me was anything but.

It's a ridiculous statement to talk about "hypothetically" doing something to a living breathing animal that’s unethical. It doesn't make sense to me nor 98% of the people here I'd bet to talk about shooting big games with a varmint round. Theother 2% don't need to have someone giving them stupid ideas to “try”.

Then you turn around and contradict your own assertion that "nobody is going to do this".... with "if they do, I hope that get stomped by a moose."
So, pull that big tree trunk out of your own eye bud before you try to tell me about the splinter you think might be in mine!

By the way, you really are projecting your own personal shortcomings on someone else when you go calling them things like "moron", unless they've demonstrated time and again that to be the case. I don't think you'd call me that if you knew me or we were face to face. For people who know me over many decades know I don’t fit that category you tried to put me in in your 30 second rant. Hope you learn to better control yourself better as you grow older.
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Old 03-19-2007 | 05:56 PM
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shucks, this got outta control
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Old 03-20-2007 | 11:49 AM
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I was respectful to the originator of this thread, more than it deserved. In contrast, your insult toward me was anything but.

It's a ridiculous statement to talk about "hypothetically" doing something to a living breathing animal that’s unethical. It doesn't make sense to me nor 98% of the people here I'd bet to talk about shooting big games with a varmint round. Theother 2% don't need to have someone giving them stupid ideas to “try”.

Then you turn around and contradict your own assertion that "nobody is going to do this".... with "if they do, I hope that get stomped by a moose."
So, pull that big tree trunk out of your own eye bud before you try to tell me about the splinter you think might be in mine!


You end up flaming the originator of the thread when he explicitly said, that he wasn't going to and has no intention of hunting moose with a .223, and that he doesn't recommend that anyone do it, he just wants to know if a .223 can go through a moose's shoulder bone, since he heard it went through some certain car part. It's like asking, "Can a .22 lr kill a deer with a head shot? I'm just asking, I won't and have no intention of hunting deer with a .22."

You apparently, are the only one who hasn't gotten the message and the point of this thread, it's nothing like the ".243 on elk" thread that was on here several months ago, and it's plain and obvious, written in plain American English, that he isn't and never will, hunt or suggest someone hunt with a .223.

If you honestly think any person is going to go out and hunt moose with a .223 when here there are listed all the reasons not to, you've clearlyunderestimated the human instincts for self-preservation.

I have good reason to believe you didn't read his post, and if you don't like the responsible thread, which can actually educate people as to the power of firearms, then don't post crap here.

I don't know what kind of a case you have with saying that I "contradicted myself", where was that?

If people are stupid enough to hunt moose with a .223 after viewing this thread, which I believe they aren't, they do deserve to be stomped by a moose, since they mightdo many more dumb things.

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Old 03-20-2007 | 08:25 PM
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There is no chance in hell a 5.56 round penetrated an engine block . I make steel targets out of "cold rolled " . They struggle thru amild thickness of that . I'm guessing that you shot thru someone elses hole .
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Old 03-20-2007 | 10:10 PM
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i think a .223 could shhot threw an engine block. i'm not saying it will everytime, i'm saying depending on the angle and distace to the target...it is feasable. remember, engine blocks (unless aluminum) are cast iron, not "true" steel. cast iron is more brittle and acceptable to crackingwith extreme forces.
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