shepdogwv

man, you guys are doin a lot better than me, my 06 bounces half way back on anything over 50 yards

Anthony T.

Mine usually bounces off about 75yds .

Diggerr

Dont really care if you agree, I've knocked deer half way down mountains with a 7mm mag inside 50 yds, and they never got up. If a 7mm mag is devastating at longer range, how do you figure its diferent up close. 20-30 grns of bullet weight isnt going to make that much difference if thevelocity isnt behind it. TheArmy is dealing with that right now.They went to a69 grn bullet instead of a 55grn bullet out of a shorter barrell and it doesnt perform as well because the velocity is lower.Use the right bullet, and place your shot.

James B

I sure don't want a gun thats gonna knock my deer half way down a mountain. We used those guns in the Navy. 16 inch I believe. My wife drops them where they stand with her 250 Savage. Don't even have to drag them back up the mountain again.

Anthony T.

You seem to be taking this personal dude. You're not going to make me believe that a 7mm mag will do anything inside 300 yds that a 30-06 can't do. I have both and I know! Don't try to tell me that a 7mm mag is superior to a 30-06 man. Maybe at longer ranges like 300+yds, but anything inside that, id just as soon take either one, and inside 100, it's the '06 for me anytime. Thats why i have both, 7mm for feild hunting and '06 for the woods.
20 or 30 grains means a bunch when its moving at 3000fps. you're saying a 150 gr and a 180gr 30-06 bullet will make no difference in impact? Thats absurd! Anything over 3000fps inside 50yds is a waste. And about the army thing, if theyre using a 69gr now in their 223's instead of 55's with the same barrel lenght, theyll hit harder and fly better because of the higher ballistic coefficient, velocity doesnt make as much of a deal as you think. My 7mm using the 140 or 150 flys the same, even though the 150 is doing 3090fps and the 140 is doing 3200. Thats because the BC of the 150 is higher and it has less resistance in flight. the change in velocity there means nothing.
Talking about shot placement and bullet weight to me is preaching to the choir.

Rammer

When did this become a pissing match between a 30-06 and a 7mm???? Any deer hit with either bullet in the vitals will hit the ground at the same speed, normally within 100 yards or a lot less. I've owned both cartridges and I have never had a deer go more than 30 yards out to 500 yards. Saying a deer hit at 50 yards or less with an '06 will go down faster is absurd. What kind of proof do you have to back up this statement, other than personal experience with no witnesses.... I have personally seen deer shot with a 17HMR at 100 yards that have dropped in their tracks.

Anthony T.

No ones trying to make it a pissing match. I just refuse to hear that the 7mm is superior to any 30cal bullet other than a 300 win mag at any range.Thats absurd if anything is.It's no big deal, I'm not going to argue about it anymore. I never said that the '06 would hit harder up close, just saying that the 7mm is'nt the '06 daddy like diggerr says it is. And the argument was never with you in the first place, I thought we were in agreement, guess not.
If you will, quote me on the statement that the '06 will knock one down faster than a 7mm inside 50yds.
For the record, in my personal experience, with no witnesses, of course, the '06 has dropped more in their tracks for me so far within 50yds than the 7mm, FYI. Though they don't go more than 10-15 yds with the 7mm and some do drop. I have a better drop ratewith the '06 so far. No proof needed, thats why everything i've said in this thread is MY opinion, asyou have yours and diggerr has his.

NBDeerHunter

Well this arguement could go on and on forever, simple fact is that most if not all North American game inside of 300yds is not going to know if a bullet from a 3006 or 7MM hit it. It only going to know that it is about to die and die fast with a well placed shot. I own a 3006 and almost bought a 7MM but went with the 06 as I already had access to all the reloading equipment for the 06 and my reloading partern uses 30CAL stuff too. It just made more sense $$$ wise to go with the 06 (IMO).
I use 150gr Hornady IB going 2990ftps (at muzzle) and have shot a 5point at 20 yards and a 7 point at 280yrds the last 2 years and both deer have not gone more than 20yards. Pretty hard to beat that for performance. I am sure the 7MM would have the same result
Both guns are great and it comes down to personal preference.....
Either gun in the proper hands can do an exceptional job. PLAN and SIMPLE!!!

Rammer

I had a couple beers in me last nite (had to mourn getting 2nd place in sporting clays) and was just feeling like raising a lil ruckus. It was nothing personal, just tryin to create a lil controversy every now an then.

ipscshooter

I'd like to see that one on Mythbusters...