I want one bad in the 7.82 warbird. Does anybody make a rifle in this caliber other then lazzeroni.It would be hard to shell out $6800.00 on a rifle then another $100 a box of shells.but I guess Im to power hungry. maybe I should stick to the 300rum it seems to work rather well, but I still want the warbird

I don't think any factories make them...but I'm sure you could find a gunsmith here and there what would. It's still gonna cost a pretty penny for a handmade one run gun but shouldn't touch 6800. Then you can have custom dies made for handloading.

If you really want one, just pick you up a 7mmremmag (if you like the twist) and have it chambered to your liking. Or plan b, pick up a donor mod 70, 700 or whatever you want and order you a 250 dollar barrel from dan lilja and pay a smith 200 dollars to put on. Alot cheaper than his rifles. For under 1500 dollars, you have the trigger of your liking, your pick of stock, barrel manufacture and make sure the lugs are square, bedded and all.

I agree on the "making your own" prospect. As much as I like John and Jim Lazzeroni and have enjoyed emailing and talking on the phone too John over the years since I have had my Warbird, I just can't seem to justify a flat finish, synthetic gun being worth ANYWHERE near $6k! Don't get me wrong, you get a "ready to go gun" if you by a package gun from him that is already sighted in, has a pet load developed for it (based on your intended use) and the service I have experienced with the Lazzeroni's is spot on. BUT again, $6k is ALOT to spend on a "huntin rifle" [:'(]IMHO for that kind of cheese I want something with wood and metal finishes that looks like it came off the Queen Mary!

Have you looked on various sites like Gunbroker.com or Auctionarms.com? Every once in a while you can catch a Sako TRG-S M995 in the Warbird or the Firebird and if NIB they usually are bringing in the $1200-$1500 range. Used (85% or better) I have seen them bring $1k-$1200. Likeiwise I see a few Savages in the Patriot (Lazz's shortmag that is a ballistic equivalent of a 300Wby Mag) but I haven't seen enough to give you a price estimate. They too are great rifles my main huntin buddy has one and it is really a neat package. Realistically, I doubt you would findan "abused" Lazzeroni simply because when it costs you $5 to pull the trigger you aren't going to use it for a "yote/pickup/ranch rifle" and beat it around very often. (Or at least the typical Lazz customer isn't going to anyway, I suspect if someones grandmother won the lottery and spoiled them then maybe it "could" happen! )

I bought a Sako/Lazz Warbird from the first run he built in 99 and it is still my favored big game rifle. Besides here in TN it has been with me too MO, KS and WY and it simply performs AWESOMELY. You get over the $100 a box ammo aspect after you see how awesome the performance is and just what you get for that extra "bang for your dollar". Another thing IMHO is "so what" say I shoot an entire box in a season. What's $100 over a season when you factor in the rest of what I spend on hunting in a season? That $100 is a pittance to the rest of my multi-state endeavors.

Is the Warbird that much better than the 300Rum or 30/378? I doubt ANY game killed with either will have known the difference, I have buddies who have those other calibers and they perform greatly as well. I simply don't have the time or desire to reload anymore (tho I still have all my brass and probably have a couple hundred pieces of brass for the 'bird) so I stick with Lazz's own stuff. His ammo is SUPERB quality and it is all match grade. I recommend the 150Lazerheads and used to shoot the 130Xs before that. I hope he adopts the 130TSXs soon, I simply liked the thought of having a 4Kfps 30cal in the stand with me when I used to shot the 130s!

If you like to reload or have buddies you can trust then realistically you should just get a 300RUM in anything with a 26" barrel and have them stoke you up some 130TSXs for deerhunting (tho realistically if you are going to shoot over 600yds you would be better off sticking with 180-200grain bullets for their better wind drift performance!) and enjoy a supermag "on the cheap". If you are going to build a rifle in ANY of the calibers we have mentioned then I would suggest a 28"-30" barrel to maximize these behemoths. Why run cheap gas in your Ferarri?

Oh and another recommendation, when shooting the gun take several others with you. THE worst thing you can do is shoot them more than once every 10-15 minutes in temps above 60degrees. The extra guns will give you something to do while you are letting the supermags cool off. A 30cal that does 3500-4000fps creates a TREMENDOUS amount of heat, many times that of even normal mags. If you keep them clean and cool you will get a lifetime out of the gun! If you want something to shoot over and over and shoot prarie dogs or 1k yd competitions every weekend then either have your gunsmiths number handy (for rebarrels)or look at other calibers!

Hope this helps,
RA

Somebody else was chambering rifles in Lazzeroni. I wanna say savage but that may not be right. Get on the Lazzeroni sight and ask them

Hey I want one of the Warbirds also and I have found what your looking for fellas! Uselton bought the Warbird rights from Lazzeroni from what I found out. Heres the specs on the rifle hes his sellin for about $2500
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Long Magnum Caliber 7.82 (.308) Warbird

The ammo used for the 7.82 Warbird is loaded using the Federal 215M primer, Dupont IMR 7828 powder, and 150 grain LazerHead bullet.

From a 26” barrel the velocity should be close to 3,700 feet per second. From a 28” barrel it should be about 3,800 feet per second, and both will have about a 12 twist, at 72°F. At this speed the bullet can hold over 90% of its weight, after penetration. This bullet is successful on nearly all game such as a Tennessee Whitetail to a Colorado Elk, weighing 1,000 pounds or more.

Laser flat shooting and speed are attributes, but the best benefit is being able to hit dead on between 350-400 yards in the hands of the shooter. It has also been proved possible to make the big kill from 578 yards in the Colorado Rockies with minimal movement from the bullet. Also, this bullet can typically hit a three shot groups at 100 yards from 1/2 - 1 3/8” and from 2 1/4 - 4” at 300 yards from a cool and clean barrel.

This long range caliber has been tested and proven to guarantee the big kill when put in the hands of the hunter in regards to 90% of the world’s big game[/align]

Useltonarms.comhttp://www.useltonarmsinc.com/gun6.htmlcheck out the link for the rifle here:

I would love to have a lazzeroni, If all that I would have to do is find someone else to pay for it.

Mike that is good info to have, thanks. I knew several custom makers had bought reamers from Lazz and where chambering their guns in his cals. It is good to see that someone has offered one in a "halfway" affordable rifle. With regards too the 150Lazerhead shooting .5"-1.5" take my word for it, in most guns from a bench the load will easily do .5". That is why I switched from the 130X offering too the 150Lazerheads. The original Xbullets weren't known for their accuracy, but their astounding terminal performance made them a sure thing. Now with the TSXs you have it all. My Sako spits the 150s too .5" at 100yds and 3.5" at 400yds. Add too that that the bullet strikes only 3.5" at that distance and it is as easy a "quarter miler" as I have in my arsenal.

These calibers are SERIOUS long range equipment and if you add a quality high powered scope (especially one with mil-dots) you can effectively re-define what "long range hunting" means too most!
RA

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Yesh Okcmco Savage built around 500 rifles in Lazz's shortmag 30cal (the Patriot). A good buddy of mine has one and it is a SWEET handling package. Kicks like a danged mule but sure is a sweet one to carry. I know Savage also offered the Lazz shortmag 7mm barrel for those guns (the name of that caliber escapes me) but I never saw anyone that had one put on their Savage. It is to bad those guns are no longer offered, what a DREAM they would be with the AccuTrigger setup!!!

Lazzeroni is over priced and over rated IMHO! Just like Bigcountry stated,just have a rifle rebarreled to that cal. Then your cost of brass and dies ect. It still will be a lot cheaper that way then buying one of theres. But be warned,you won,t be able to buy shells out in the big,or little stores for it if you loose yours while hunting! good luck, vangunsmith