I've heard they make the most powerful shellin every caliber they make them in. Not like I have the money for them. $20a shell and alot more for a gun. Has anyone ever shot one of these in any of the calibers? Some publications I've read said they kick real bad. I also heard Savage made a rifle for their cartridges, but haven't been able to find it. Any suggestions?

Red Allison is the local expert on these critters. I am sure he will chime in and answer your questions.. I never got interested in them. They probably have a webb site as well

www.lazzeroni.com

Thanks. I don't really want or need one, but soem people who have them sure brag about them.

Well I would shure think about buyin a scramjet if I could get it for 700 or less. This is ascreamin little round! probably burns up barrels due to extremly high velocities though. EJ

Am I being paged?

I have had a Lazzeroni Warbird/Sako TRG-S since they came out in 99 (minewas imported byStoeger before Beretta bought them and is blued, not nickel). My petname for it is "Thunderstruck" and I sold ALOT of them (my brother was a Lazz dealer) and there are still several (2 Warbird/Sakos, 1 Firebird/Sako, 1 Patriot/Savage) in our camp. The big guns probably aren't for everyone and aren't what most would have if they could only have 1 gun. (Tho if I had to empty my safe of rifles I probably would keep Thunderstruck because it can do ANYTHING!)

LOL the shells aren't $20 a piece, but they are $5 a piece and if you emptied the gun at one buck (sure is ALOT of missing, because if you hit him he is GOING down!) then it does indeed cost you a 20spot. Premium performance requires premium ammo. I wouldn't dream of shooting CoreLokts or Partitions from my 'bird (tho John Lazzeroni offers both in the Warbird) and I have become addicted too the 150 Lazerhead which is simply a tweaked Barnes Triple Shock. I have over 50 whitetails, 1 muley and 1 antelope too this rifles credit. Ranges run from a scant 45 yards too distances I'm sure many on here would redicule me for having taken. But this gun is doing at 300yds what a 30/06 is doing at the muzzle so I consider 500-600yd shots "easy" with this gun. Heck mine only drops 3.5" @ 400ydsl, I can't think of anything making a "quarter miler" any easier!

Unfortunetly John Lazzeroni has decided to cater to ONLY the most wealthy of clients I supposeand has dropped the Sako (actually Beretta pulled the plug on the TRG-S except for 2 calibers in a $4k tactical version) and the Savage deal only lasted a couple of years. I like the Savage gun as well, it is extremely light, shoots great (tho they were before the Accu-Trigger was around) and ballistically they are equivalent too a 300Wby Mag. But that gun kicks MUCH worse than my Sako, I mean it's uncomfortable after a couple of rounds! I think it's all in the weight and design of the stock. I put a KDF brake on mine simply because I shoot from shooting house windows alot and needed the gun to stay level when it's fired (I can watch the shot with the brake on). But the brake makes it necessary to use muffs or plugs while hunting with it, I use Walkers Game Ear IIs. The brake is removable and if I were to have to track something (again, a rarity with something that thunders like these guns) I can remove the brake, put it in my pocket and go with open ears.

John Lazz's guns are now $6k and any gunmaker can build you one if you like. But in most cases that too will be expensive. My suggestion is buy a Sako Warbird on something like www.gunbroker.comThey show up there every now and then (believe one was there two weeks ago) and they usally bring around $1200 give or take a couple of hundred, some are new some are used a couple of times. The barrels will last 1500-2000+rounds (completely acceptable for a typical big game rifle IMHO) if you keep them properly clean and DONT get the barrel warm. Take your time at the range, 1 shot ONLY once the barrel is cool. If you empty the gun while it's 80 degrees the barrel will be come untouchable and you can figure a new barrel in a short while. My gun has over 200 round through it and it shoots 150Lazerheads .5" @ 100yds and 3.5" @ 400yds. I don't ask for any better than that! And in my opinion, even if you had to rebarrel it... so what? After 2000 rounds you have spent $10,000.00 on ammo, what's a few hundred dollar barrel?

They are a BLAST in more ways than one!!! Sure they aren't for everyone and some will sneer at you for having one. But such is life when you own a "McLaren F1", they are ALOT of fun to own and are VERY worthy tools in the field if you do alot of long range hunting or want to stop practically ANYTHING in it's tracks.
RA

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The Scramjet isn't actually as fast as the Firebird or the Warbird. It truly IS overbore for that huge case. But it'sa worthy gun no less. I have a friend who has a large lease near Manhattan, KS (HUGE DEER! ) and after he saw my Lazz he wanted one. But he is older and had a cancerous tumor removed from under his shoulder a couple of years ago so he was worried about recoil. He hunted with 7mmMags prior to ordering the L2000 Scramjet. He has since taken MONSTER KS whitetails and tied the #1 overall Antelope with his Scramjet (you can see the BEAST lope on Lazz's site).

Lazzeroni definately has the speed demon market covered, but blistering speed comes at asteep cost. Proprietary brass/ammo that is very expensive,very hard if not impossibleto findlocally and probably wouldn't last more than 2-3 shots, useful barrel life measured in the triple digits, massive amounts of powder per shot, recoil that will loosen fillings and separate retinas.

But it's really,really fast, and that's all that matters, right?[&:]

The Lazzeroni rifles look really nice, but for what they want for them, theycan keep them.I personally would stay away from any proprietary cartridges.You can get closeenough to that performance levelwith the 300RUM for a lot less cost, but with all the otherdrawbacks attached.

Mike

Anyone have the recoil for Lazzeronis in ft-lbs or anything? What are the calibers recoil compared to other more popular cartridges? I'm not of the biggest build, I wouldn't wanna get knocked outta my shoes too hard.

I briefly considered the lazzeronis myself but decided to go with the ultramags due to the much lower cost of rifles and brass.The lazzeronis do offer slightly more velocity,but at a very high cost.To me they just don't add enough performance to justify the cost.

The dealer I bought my bassboat from has a sign on his desk that reads, "Speed costs... how fast do you want to go?" That can be said for ANYTHING in life, boats, cars, rifles, women you name it!

All this talk of "tooth shattering and eye seperating recoil" is laughable. Come on guys, so the guns make noise and push your shoulder a lil bit. If you believe some on here one would think they need a wheel chair and an ambulance nearby anytime you shot one of these things. They aren't that bad I tell ya. Even with the brake removed the gun isn't that bad. Like I said, my Mossberg 835 with 3.5" 2 1/4oz triplex Nitro Hevi-shot turkey loads is MUCH worse than this gun. But even that gun hasn't put me in the hospital. I guess I just took an uncle of mines words once who was shot in the stomach at point blank range with a .357Mag. He told me, "Hell there aint NO gun that hurts as much being behind it as being in FRONT of one!"

I also don't think anyone that even MENTIONS recoil should be looking at any of the supermags in the first place. If recoil is of the least bit of concern then you probably should stay away from ALL magnums and shoot lesser guns. I would rather you carry something you are comfortable with and can shoot well than something you are scared of and couldn't hit a barn door with.

The cost of ANYTHING I want is summarized in my mind by: "Hearses don't have trailer hitches"!!!
RA

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I have NEVER considered a cartridge based on how much powder it does or doesn't use. Is that really a consideration? I didn't know we were in a gunpowder shortage right now, is it about to be rationed? Tater chips and gunpowder are the same too me, USE ALL YOU WANT, They'll make more!