M1 carbine-good brush gun
#11
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: cyriaque
I guess the deer I killed with it yesterday and the men killed with it in several wars haven't read that it's not powerful enough!
I guess the deer I killed with it yesterday and the men killed with it in several wars haven't read that it's not powerful enough!
#12
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
#13
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: tykempster
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
TheEskimo kid who killed the Polar bear with his .22 stuck the muzzle of his rifle into the bear's open mouth, and shot it through the spinal cord from the INSIDE OUT! I wonder if I would have had presence on mind enough to do that, staring an enraged Polar bear in the face at such a close distance!
#16
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
New to the forum and first post. Thought I would stir the pot.
I know persons in Missouri who have harvested deer with the .30 carbine round and dead is dead. With good bullets, soft point, not FMJ, out to about 100 yards, I would not feel at all undergunned with the .30 carbine for white tail.
The .357 is commonly accepted as a handgun round for whitetail. Pull the ballistics charts and look at the .357 magnum round (either 4" or 18" barrel,I don't care) and compare it with the .30 carbine's energy.
I think if you can show deer on the ground from a .30 carbine round and black and white ballistics showing capacity to transfer energy into your target, what more proof can be given?
I know persons in Missouri who have harvested deer with the .30 carbine round and dead is dead. With good bullets, soft point, not FMJ, out to about 100 yards, I would not feel at all undergunned with the .30 carbine for white tail.
The .357 is commonly accepted as a handgun round for whitetail. Pull the ballistics charts and look at the .357 magnum round (either 4" or 18" barrel,I don't care) and compare it with the .30 carbine's energy.
I think if you can show deer on the ground from a .30 carbine round and black and white ballistics showing capacity to transfer energy into your target, what more proof can be given?
#17
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: cyriaque
Tell you what, James B., I'll take the M1 carbine and you bring the golf club and meet in an alley-winner take all.[:@]
Tell you what, James B., I'll take the M1 carbine and you bring the golf club and meet in an alley-winner take all.[:@]
#18
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
I don't like the M1 carbine. Not enough knock down power. But it depends on the placement of the shot. I hunted in the 70's with one and I killed deer with it but always had to track the deer down and find them. My father fought in Korea and he hated the gun. He said it was useless as tits on a boar hog. He much prefered the M1 Garand over the carbine.
But if you like it and it works for you, then good. I like a remington 7400 or 742 .30-06 in the short carbine frame for a brush gun.
But if you like it and it works for you, then good. I like a remington 7400 or 742 .30-06 in the short carbine frame for a brush gun.
#20
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4
RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
A short defense of the .30 Carbine round:
As DeGuello pointed out, bullet placement is everything and I would start with that as a given with regards to any shot fired with any round. Secondary to placement may be bullet construction, full metal jacket vs soft point vs SJ Hollow point, and so on.
My first 25 years hunting were in woods and swamps in Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. I never encountered a deer over 100 yards away while hunting, most 25-50. I think there is an ENORMOUS difference between an unexpected (to them at least) shot on a subject, two legged or four at 50 yards and a "Hail Mary" shot with FMJ rounds at 200-300 yards at a charging Communist wearing 2-3 inches of heavy winter clothing and web gear as was the case in Korea, thinking specifically of Chosin in '50.
Know your subject, (agitated or not, heavily clothed, muscled, furred) , know your round, place your shots.
While not a great round or the "best" round whatever that may be, I think the .30 carbine is under appreciated for what it can do and is a fine entry caliber for the kind of shooting I have seen and described above.
As DeGuello pointed out, bullet placement is everything and I would start with that as a given with regards to any shot fired with any round. Secondary to placement may be bullet construction, full metal jacket vs soft point vs SJ Hollow point, and so on.
My first 25 years hunting were in woods and swamps in Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. I never encountered a deer over 100 yards away while hunting, most 25-50. I think there is an ENORMOUS difference between an unexpected (to them at least) shot on a subject, two legged or four at 50 yards and a "Hail Mary" shot with FMJ rounds at 200-300 yards at a charging Communist wearing 2-3 inches of heavy winter clothing and web gear as was the case in Korea, thinking specifically of Chosin in '50.
Know your subject, (agitated or not, heavily clothed, muscled, furred) , know your round, place your shots.
While not a great round or the "best" round whatever that may be, I think the .30 carbine is under appreciated for what it can do and is a fine entry caliber for the kind of shooting I have seen and described above.