M1 carbine-good brush gun
12-08-2005, 09:13 AM
#21
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: teamboonera
New to the forum and first post. Thought I would stir the pot.
I know persons in Missouri who have harvested deer with the .30 carbine round and dead is dead. With good bullets, soft point, not FMJ, out to about 100 yards, I would not feel at all undergunned with the .30 carbine for white tail.
The .357 is commonly accepted as a handgun round for whitetail. Pull the ballistics charts and look at the .357 magnum round (either 4" or 18" barrel,I don't care) and compare it with the .30 carbine's energy.
I think if you can show deer on the ground from a .30 carbine round and black and white ballistics showing capacity to transfer energy into your target, what more proof can be given?
New to the forum and first post. Thought I would stir the pot.
I know persons in Missouri who have harvested deer with the .30 carbine round and dead is dead. With good bullets, soft point, not FMJ, out to about 100 yards, I would not feel at all undergunned with the .30 carbine for white tail.
The .357 is commonly accepted as a handgun round for whitetail. Pull the ballistics charts and look at the .357 magnum round (either 4" or 18" barrel,I don't care) and compare it with the .30 carbine's energy.
I think if you can show deer on the ground from a .30 carbine round and black and white ballistics showing capacity to transfer energy into your target, what more proof can be given?
However, as you say, dead is dead, and bullet placement is a lot more important than most other considerations when it comes to dropping game animals. For example, W.D.M. Bell killed over 800 elephant with a 7mm Mauser, and there have been people who have failed at this task with a 600 Nitro Express!
12-08-2005, 09:34 AM
#22
Dominant Buck
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RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: tykempster
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
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12-09-2005, 09:55 AM
#24
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RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog
Watch the lion hunt video
ORIGINAL: tykempster
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
I have a friend who used to use a .30 Carbine as a deer gun when he was younger. Every deer he shot dropped, and didn't get up. HIs dad and grandpa used the gun before him and never lost a deer. I wouldn't use it, but at short ranges it seems like it works.
12-09-2005, 02:35 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: teamboonera
A short defense of the .30 Carbine round:
As DeGuello pointed out, bullet placement is everything and I would start with that as a given with regards to any shot fired with any round. Secondary to placement may be bullet construction, full metal jacket vs soft point vs SJ Hollow point, and so on.
My first 25 years hunting were in woods and swamps in Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. I never encountered a deer over 100 yards away while hunting, most 25-50. I think there is an ENORMOUS difference between an unexpected (to them at least) shot on a subject, two legged or four at 50 yards and a "Hail Mary" shot with FMJ rounds at 200-300 yards at a charging Communist wearing 2-3 inches of heavy winter clothing and web gear as was the case in Korea, thinking specifically of Chosin in '50.
Know your subject, (agitated or not, heavily clothed, muscled, furred) , know your round, place your shots.
While not a great round or the "best" round whatever that may be, I think the .30 carbine is under appreciated for what it can do and is a fine entry caliber for the kind of shooting I have seen and described above.
A short defense of the .30 Carbine round:
As DeGuello pointed out, bullet placement is everything and I would start with that as a given with regards to any shot fired with any round. Secondary to placement may be bullet construction, full metal jacket vs soft point vs SJ Hollow point, and so on.
My first 25 years hunting were in woods and swamps in Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. I never encountered a deer over 100 yards away while hunting, most 25-50. I think there is an ENORMOUS difference between an unexpected (to them at least) shot on a subject, two legged or four at 50 yards and a "Hail Mary" shot with FMJ rounds at 200-300 yards at a charging Communist wearing 2-3 inches of heavy winter clothing and web gear as was the case in Korea, thinking specifically of Chosin in '50.
Know your subject, (agitated or not, heavily clothed, muscled, furred) , know your round, place your shots.
While not a great round or the "best" round whatever that may be, I think the .30 carbine is under appreciated for what it can do and is a fine entry caliber for the kind of shooting I have seen and described above.
12-10-2005, 04:26 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
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RE: M1 carbine-good brush gun
ORIGINAL: cyriaque
Lightweight, powerful and accurate enough at 50-75 yards, easy to carry and handle. Softnose bullet expands well.
Lightweight, powerful and accurate enough at 50-75 yards, easy to carry and handle. Softnose bullet expands well.
Then one day I discovered deer in that brush and that M-1 carbine became worthless as tits on a boar. I went out and bought a deer gun.....something with more than 15 grains of powder in the casing.
If you want a brush gun.....ya got one....if you want a deer gun.....find one with some power.
