It's called a clue. You really should get one. When is the last time you compared an arrow wound channel to a bullet wound channel? Try that and them tell us an arrow kills the same way a bullet does.

Thanks Strut and Reb.
Theremay besome truth that I wanted the gun for her maybe more than she did. I have been reading many posts lately as I did when I was researching guns to beigin hunting last year.There was a lot of info thattalked about people, especially kids, that get turned off of hunting because or thr fear of recoil. When I watched her flinching at the range that is what I thought of and became concerned.
We spend WAY too much quality time shooting and hunting with her to risk losing that.
I also have repect for the animals we hunt and that is why I asked if the 223 was adequate. I'm still trying to understand all of the balistics involved and exactly how the balistics translates in to the kill (sounds like there is still some debate about that reading this post)
I have only witneesed 2 deer being shot. My daughters and mine. Both with the 30-30. Neither required any tracking as they were quick kills. mine was around 50 yards. Hers was exactly 128. But i have no experience with seeing other calibers at work. I own a 270 but have not shot it at any game.
Again guys, Thanks for all of your insight. We really appreciate it and respect what all of your experience brings to the table

I'd go with a .260, nice flat shooter and with a 120gr it will do just fine for any Deer you would ever wish to bring home. Same basic brass family as the .243. The Remington model 7 comes in this calibar and is a nice gun, my 8 year old shot his first buck with it. Once you get that Remington trigger adjusted to suit real folks.

Ha ha ha !
so theres a magical electricity that comes out of a bullet and shocks the deer to death. what a crock !
You pierce the lungs, blood loss follows, blood pressure drops
and cardiac arrest follows, knife , gun or bow. thats how it happens.Most deer dont drop on the spot from a shot to the vitals. Sometimes they do and this can be credited to a number of things, Ive seen deer drop on the spot from an arrow to the vitals also

zrexpilot....... here's a little test for you guys that think there is no energy transfer from a bullet. this can be done even with a little .22 long rifle. shoot a empty pop can with the .22. it will make a small hole in and a small hole out. then fill a pop can with water and shoot it. it will blow the back side wide open. why because with the empty can there is room for the bullets energy to expand. with it full of water there is no room for the water to expand from the bullets energy which in turn blows out the weakest area of the can.

Never said there was not energy transfer, just saying energy isnt what kills.
Your little test only shows what happens to a bullet when it hits something, air isnt something therefore it wont expand. this all comes from the velocity, take the same gun and slow it way down and try it again.

Some people's kids.

Kinetic Energy
Kinetic energy is the energy of motion. An object which has motion - whether it be vertical or horizontal motion - has kinetic energy. There are many forms of kinetic energy - vibrational (the energy due to vibrational motion), rotational (the energy due to rotational motion), and translational (the energy due to motion from one location to another). To keep matters simple, we will focus upon translational kinetic energy. The amount of translational kinetic energy (from here on, the phrase kinetic energy will refer to translational kinetic energy) which an object has depends upon two variables: the mass (m) of the object and the speed (v) of the object. The following equation is used to represent the kinetic energy (KE) of an object.

where m = mass of object
v = speed of object
This equation reveals that the kinetic energy of an object is directly proportional to the square of its speed. That means that for a twofold increase in speed, the kinetic energy will increase by a factor of four; for a threefold increase in speed, the kinetic energy will increase by a factor of nine; and for a fourfold increase in speed, the kinetic energy will increase by a factor of sixteen. The kinetic energy is dependent upon the square of the speed. As it is often said, an equation is not merely a recipe for algebraic problem-solving, but also a guide to thinking about the relationship between quantities.

Rebel you do understand that kinetic energy is a theory.
A punch from a fist carrys more energy than a bullet can ever dream of having, but you wont die from it. Wonder why....hmmmm could it be because of no blood loss.
Energy doesnt kill.

Alright Z, what you trying to say, a volks waggen at 50 miles an hour and a
greyhound bus at the same speed will do the same damage?