Crossbow Accuracy
01-02-2008 | 05:12 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
I've never shot my crossbow 100 yards, so I have no idea what kind of accuracy I could get...
IMO one of the main reasons the crossbow gets such ahigh rank as far as long range accuracy is that you can shoot one right off a rest(just like a rifle) which takes alot, if not most, of the human error out of the shot and helps a great deal asfar as long range accuracy, its hard to do that with a vertical bow...
wether the average joe could shoot 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards is hard to say...
IMO one of the main reasons the crossbow gets such ahigh rank as far as long range accuracy is that you can shoot one right off a rest(just like a rifle) which takes alot, if not most, of the human error out of the shot and helps a great deal asfar as long range accuracy, its hard to do that with a vertical bow...
wether the average joe could shoot 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards is hard to say...
01-02-2008 | 05:24 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
"whether the average joe could shoot 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards is hard to say..."
Actually, 100yds is outta reach in more ways than one. Those guys like Matthias 72 that are shooting those long ranges use a special scope mount called a "Wolfzeitz"[sp] that is alot like a Horton D-A-R, except itis precision manufactured. Most scopes don't have enough internal adj to sight in at 100 yds. This topic reminds me of when I was a kid about 12 yrs old. My neighbor had an old shed and we kids in the 'hood used to put ballons up on the back of it facing the alley. Then we would throw darts 30 yds or so to try and break a balloon. The ones you usually throw at 10' in a bar. We were bored and "screwing around". Why anyone would want to shoot a 40 yd weapon at 100 or yes even 200 yds is way beyond me, but have at it, just have fun!
Actually, 100yds is outta reach in more ways than one. Those guys like Matthias 72 that are shooting those long ranges use a special scope mount called a "Wolfzeitz"[sp] that is alot like a Horton D-A-R, except itis precision manufactured. Most scopes don't have enough internal adj to sight in at 100 yds. This topic reminds me of when I was a kid about 12 yrs old. My neighbor had an old shed and we kids in the 'hood used to put ballons up on the back of it facing the alley. Then we would throw darts 30 yds or so to try and break a balloon. The ones you usually throw at 10' in a bar. We were bored and "screwing around". Why anyone would want to shoot a 40 yd weapon at 100 or yes even 200 yds is way beyond me, but have at it, just have fun!
01-02-2008 | 10:11 PM
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
Hot Stuff!!!
LOL - let me tell you - at 46, anyone calling me "hotstuff" is ok in my book!! I see your deer issues, Im actually quite the careful shot on any game and give a pass to anything that looks "iffy". But I do love artillery type target shooting. Add a little breeze and the games afoot.
Ive got a compound, im waming back up to it, but I wonder if a handbow will ever allow me the accuracy a crossbow can give me. A 5" group at 50 yards to me isnt really as tight as Id like things to be and I wonder if perhaps a crossbow is the key to getting that kind of accuracy.
I know the banter goes on from side to side and just perusing the internet its amazing what myth is out their AGAINST crossbows, my fav is that they
lose velocity and energy faster than a compound bow shot arrow. Grains are grains and FPS is FPS but there you go. Its actually a little disappointing that there is such a rub between hand bow shooters and crossbow. they both have valid heritages and shining points.
Anyway, I want a system that will turn in something like 2-3" groups at fifty yards. Apparently a crossbow has to be the answer here as that kind of performance out of a handbow seems like olympic quality.
Oh the screwing around thing - my apologies if I seemed ... oh hell, curt. I think I did too, I reread it. I typed that just before I went to work. Probably my pre-work tension venting. My apologies.
Pete
LOL - let me tell you - at 46, anyone calling me "hotstuff" is ok in my book!! I see your deer issues, Im actually quite the careful shot on any game and give a pass to anything that looks "iffy". But I do love artillery type target shooting. Add a little breeze and the games afoot.
Ive got a compound, im waming back up to it, but I wonder if a handbow will ever allow me the accuracy a crossbow can give me. A 5" group at 50 yards to me isnt really as tight as Id like things to be and I wonder if perhaps a crossbow is the key to getting that kind of accuracy.
I know the banter goes on from side to side and just perusing the internet its amazing what myth is out their AGAINST crossbows, my fav is that they
lose velocity and energy faster than a compound bow shot arrow. Grains are grains and FPS is FPS but there you go. Its actually a little disappointing that there is such a rub between hand bow shooters and crossbow. they both have valid heritages and shining points.
Anyway, I want a system that will turn in something like 2-3" groups at fifty yards. Apparently a crossbow has to be the answer here as that kind of performance out of a handbow seems like olympic quality.
Oh the screwing around thing - my apologies if I seemed ... oh hell, curt. I think I did too, I reread it. I typed that just before I went to work. Probably my pre-work tension venting. My apologies.
Pete
01-02-2008 | 10:20 PM
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
ORIGINAL: awshucks
Why anyone would want to shoot a 40 yd weapon at 100 or yes even 200 yds is way beyond me, but have at it, just have fun!
Why anyone would want to shoot a 40 yd weapon at 100 or yes even 200 yds is way beyond me, but have at it, just have fun!
Its a curious point though - if you could even slightly "rest" your shooting hand so as not to interfere with the shooting of the bow, could this "rested" bow rival a crossbow? Is that the only thing affecting accuracy between the two ?
I love both, Im not pro or con here - just voicing something Ive wondered about. Fact is my compound bow groups [when I used to shoot a lot] rivaled my free standing non-rested .22 rimfire rifle shot groups.
I seemed to averege an inch per 10 yards when I didnt rest the scoped Marlin. LOL, no sniper I. It'd be neat to see tho how well a compound bow, crossbow and such could do if in some fashion the human error could be minimized enough.
Pete
01-02-2008 | 10:23 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
Pete, we all took acception as a group (yes we are very close here) and your appologies are accepted and understood.
Personally I think that compounds are more accurate within sighting limitations. If you could put a scope on a compound the crossbow could not keep up. With a compound there is the ability to endlessly tune the bow and the arrow. We on the other hand can tune the arrow in a limited way and tune the bow in a lesser way. That being said if you are looking for a crossbow that can give you accuracy on motionless targets at extended ranges then a crossbow has the potential to exceed a compound. But it will take endless hours and days of research and experimentation.
Personally I think that compounds are more accurate within sighting limitations. If you could put a scope on a compound the crossbow could not keep up. With a compound there is the ability to endlessly tune the bow and the arrow. We on the other hand can tune the arrow in a limited way and tune the bow in a lesser way. That being said if you are looking for a crossbow that can give you accuracy on motionless targets at extended ranges then a crossbow has the potential to exceed a compound. But it will take endless hours and days of research and experimentation.
01-02-2008 | 10:27 PM
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
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Pete, we all took acception as a group (yes we are very close here) and your appologies are accepted and understood.
Personally I think that compounds are more accurate within sighting limitations. If you could put a scope on a compound the crossbow could not keep up. With a compound there is the ability to endlessly tune the bow and the arrow. We on the other hand can tune the arrow in a limited way and tune the bow in a lesser way. That being said if you are looking for a crossbow that can give you accuracy on motionless targets at extended ranges then a crossbow has the potential to exceed a compound. But it will take endless hours and days of research and experimentation.
Pete, we all took acception as a group (yes we are very close here) and your appologies are accepted and understood.
Personally I think that compounds are more accurate within sighting limitations. If you could put a scope on a compound the crossbow could not keep up. With a compound there is the ability to endlessly tune the bow and the arrow. We on the other hand can tune the arrow in a limited way and tune the bow in a lesser way. That being said if you are looking for a crossbow that can give you accuracy on motionless targets at extended ranges then a crossbow has the potential to exceed a compound. But it will take endless hours and days of research and experimentation.
01-03-2008 | 05:34 PM
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RE: Croosbow Accuracy
"Its a curious point though - if you could even slightly "rest" your shooting hand so as not to interfere with the shooting of the bow, could this "rested" bow rival a crossbow? Is that the only thing affecting accuracy between the two ? '
Pete: you are operating on some common misconceptions about xbows. Allow me to share some stuff w/ you? There is a gentleman on AT named Jim C that is an archery instructer, holds some recordsI believe, and is a big crossbow supporter. He among other things teaches youngsters and has at times past either owned or been part owner in an archery shop. He conducted some tests by mounting those little red lazer pointers that kids just love to get in trouble at school w/, lol on both vert bows and xbows. The object was to hold the red dot on the bull as long as possible, no shots ever needed fired. The vertswon hands down every time. His results are also verified in the competition scores where the vert exceeds the xbow evey time. W/o preaching to the choir here, in every state that keeps separate stats, the harvest rates percentage wise are nearly equal between the two, hence no net advantage/disadvantage.
Pete: you are operating on some common misconceptions about xbows. Allow me to share some stuff w/ you? There is a gentleman on AT named Jim C that is an archery instructer, holds some recordsI believe, and is a big crossbow supporter. He among other things teaches youngsters and has at times past either owned or been part owner in an archery shop. He conducted some tests by mounting those little red lazer pointers that kids just love to get in trouble at school w/, lol on both vert bows and xbows. The object was to hold the red dot on the bull as long as possible, no shots ever needed fired. The vertswon hands down every time. His results are also verified in the competition scores where the vert exceeds the xbow evey time. W/o preaching to the choir here, in every state that keeps separate stats, the harvest rates percentage wise are nearly equal between the two, hence no net advantage/disadvantage.
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