ORIGINAL: Arthur P

Not high enough to justify in THEIR minds??? Hunting in ANY form, with any harvest percentage, is not justified in their minds. If they had any real concern about keeping animals alive, then they should look more favorably on bow hunting because if it's low success rate when compared to gun hunters. No, that's not the numbers game they're playing. They're going after bowhunting because of the number of bowhunters compared to the number of gun hunters. That's the reason they're going after us. If they can topple us, then that will make it easier to knock over gun hunting.

Liberal judges, ShadowAce? I'd say liberal activist judges, actually. They're boils on society's arse, for certain. But, just like the anti's themselves, they're nothing more than a symptom of the social rot that's afflicting this country. Look at gay marriage, for instance. It's common sense that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because of liberal activist judges, that's not the case any more. Now we have to write laws and make Constitutional amendments to mandate what used to be common sense.

These anti's are people who have lost all contact with common sense and feel some misguided need to take action - even going so far as resorting to terrorism - to force everyone else to abandon common sense as well. Red Hawk says he respects their opinion, even though he thinks the opinion is 'silly'. The problem with them is, they do NOT respect anybody else's opinion. In fact, they have nothing but contempt for differing opinions. They're despicable antisocial degenerants as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, they're well financed and well organized despicable antisocial degenerants.

Organization... There's a laugh. They've been consolidating their power bases over the past decade while we... What have WE been doing? Pope and Young Club was the voice of bowhunters for many years. Hardly anybody shows the slightest bit of respect for P&Y now, because so many so-called bowhunters don't respect P&Y. In fact, most bowhunters won't even support their state bowhunting organizations, for some petty reason or other. In other words, bowhunters are a disorganized mob with no central lobbying agency and no political clout.

We bowhunters are our own worst enemy. When the battle is joined, we'll be going into it completely unarmed. That's what you need to be afraid of, ShadowAce. Not the anti's, not liberal activist judges. It's our own stupidity that you need to fear.

ORIGINAL: datamax

Do you shoot and lose a bunch of animals ? If you do - correct that and there will be no problems. And honestly discussing why we've missed, or wounded or lost game, or why ATV's tear up the place or why trash is left at campsites etc etc ......... to me this shows the anti's were paying attention, we're addressing the problems/issues.

Burying our head in the sand, pretending these things don't exist ......... is worse than anything else we can do

ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse

Amen to Arthur. Guys have no fear there are way too many deer and way to much damage deer are doing to ban hunting. The deer need to be controled and bow hunting is the safe and ethical way to go.

Red Hawk says he respects their opinion, even though he thinks the opinion is 'silly'. The problem with them is, they do NOT respect anybody else's opinion.

ORIGINAL: datamax
Burying our head in the sand, pretending these things don't exist ......... is worse than anything else we can do

Jack

ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN

Shadowace,

I agree with you on liberal judges but there is something even more dangerous. Liberal teachers and teacher's unions. My six year old came home from school asking about vegetarians. Then after a few questions I realized someone had conned her into thinking red meat was bad for her. My wife and I explained to her the concept of a balanced diet. I never got her to tell me where at school she had heard that, but it's not a concept that came out of another six year old's mouth! We will be doing some more investigating on that. We may be home schooling her if this is the kind of stuff that we can expect.

It's not those type things I am referring to. It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave."

ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC

If the person looking for info in the "what do you leave in the woods" thread was an anti hunter looking for ammo , I'd say we represented hunters quite well and their going to be disappointed in the results.

ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN

Nah, teachers. It doesn't matter if they are liberal or not, their union is. That's the people that push the agendas of PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, et al.