RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Bowfanatic,

I cut this sentance out of your post for two reasons:

1. It shows that you would have no problem with crossbows included in the bow season (assuming no negative effects to the herd etc..)

2. Allowing crossbows into bow season is a big big problem for most here because they don't feel it should be included (for whatever reasons) and you might just get some flak for saying that. But not to worry...you have me to help.;)

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Dang BigJ! I didn't expect a reply until the morning. Are you working nights too? Or are you just letting this crap keep you up all night?:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

If you look at my posts waaaaaay back in this thread you'll notice I asked the question..."why not a seperate season". My feelings towards a seperate season are generated by the same feelings the majority of folks have concerning the crossbow issue...fear. Fear of being taken over by crossbows , having too big of harvests , and shortening the seasons.




I should also add this...

Starting last year in Wisconsin , anyone over 65 years of age can legally hunt with a crossbow. I personally think it's the best damn thing our DNR has done in a long time! It used to be that anyone 65 or over didn't have to purchase a fishing license. I also strongly felt that was an excellent thing! But , since it's all about money now , our DNR changed that law.[:@]

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Cant sleep thank god for this thread!

BOWFANATIC

What your worried about I am too.I love my bow season and would hate to see it shorten up.If crossbows ever come in our bow season I'll stick with my compound but someone wants to shoot one so be it.

ELKINMTCWB

"by his own means"?The guys shoulders gave out from years of heavy labor providing for his family.What should he have done?poached so he wouldnt have to work hard.He tried they denied.
Thats cool your wife had the patience to work up her draw weight my wife is doing that too.my wife also goes out when she can to watch,learn and bond.She saw me arrow an eight point three years ago.She has to draw almost half her body weight.see were I'm going.
No I dont want your or my 4 year old killing deer.Dont think their ready.I loved the outdoors before I ever hunted and believe they will to but if because of their pyshical stature they cant share in the joy of bowhunting will they(future voters)defend bowhunting?Will they put money into the hunting community and fight for the issues concerning all of us?
Does a crossbow make it easier?Yes I think it does but if it brings in the smaller framed hunter and the older seasoned hunters I'm willing to take the risk.
Also hunting is killing lets not be ashamed of it.I like watching the sunrise,the songbirds,the squirells collecting nuts,and all the rest but thats not why I spend $70 for a licsence every year.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

OK now we know how you feel but why should you get to decide for other parents and other children when they will be able to hunt?

Being able to shoot a bow doesn't make them able to draw legal and ethical hunting weight.;)

Why can't you do both? In Arkansas when you kill a deer during archery season you have to specify what you killed it with when you check it. If people are going to poach and not report deer they killed then they are going to do it whether crossbows have their own season or not. Saying corssbows is going to cause poaching is like saying guns cause crime? You don't really believe that do you?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Oh dear God we have had a revelation;)

and the truth shall set them free:)

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

You know what... after all these comments the 1 main reason the crossbow guys give for including a crossbow during archery season is there is no negative to doing it.

Which was Data's point with the whole thread..... you are arguing because you do not percieve a negative to changing something, then it should be changed. If the world worked this way, what a messed up place it would be. See change does not occur because there is no negative to changing... in fact this has been BigJ's mantra, I don't see the negative, so change it. Well since the rules / law / definitons are set ... lets look at the positives of adding crossbows to archery season. I though about this last night. Your percieved positives can be just as easily dismissed as the negatives I percieve. Archery season doesn't benefit, archers do not benefit. Crossbow guys do, but not archers. At best ... it doesn't affect them much, at worse it reduces their seasons. Crossbows could add new hunters you say, I say there is a Crossbow season and it doesn't seem to be adding new people ..... you say crossbows give people choices and doesn't force them to learn archery or develop muscles to draw bows with .. I argue that Archery is what it is because of those requirements, you want women and children be allowed to use crossbows ... I argue they already can, you say but not when they want to, I say the "want" part is out of your control and is dictated by Fish and Game. We all want to hunt right now, but we have to wait.

After reading all of these posts .. the MAIN reason to change archery season to allow crossbows is because you do not percieve any negatives is the weakest of reasons to change. Change should be because change improves or makes better ... and in the end, that is why crossbows are not allowed in almost every state. If changing archery season to include crossbows were to make it better, I would be the first one on the band wagon... but it doesn't. For every percieved positive on your part, I can dismiss it away as easily and with as little regard to all the negatives we supplied. If I couldn't .. you'be be able to use crossbows everywhere during archery season.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

We have a winner! MAJay! This was the original question posed by Datamax. Through the 96 pages of this thread we have seen negative speculation, opinion, and emotions toward crossbows but no hard negative facts. So this thread has come full circle.

BigJ12

Wow, I was looking at your statistics on your size and you ought to have my nickname. I've got an inch on you, but you've got 30 lbs on me and you lifted a heck of a lot more than I ever did.

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Very good post MA Jay.

I agree 100%.

And like Silent and Data have said all along, they never even see a xbow....If that is the case, why even bother? To pander to a very very very small handful?

Another fear I have about letting xbows into archery and having xbows catagorized with compounds is this....... I think we open the door for the 1% letoff, draw locks, etc on all bows to become the standard.... I just don't want to see that happen.... And it would..... The overwhelming demand in the market in easier, faster, more accurate, etc at
whatever cost.....

Sure, that hasn't happened in AR, GA , or OH, but they make up just a twinkling of the bowhunting community. If xbows were passed nationwide, I believe we would see the end of compound bow hunting as we know it. The bows would continually evolve until the xbow and compound were the EXACT same weapon, one being horizonal, the other vertical.

Now, Data will scream....THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING!!!! But not on a large scale.....

Something to think about boys.........

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I am now thoroughly convinced that you either didn't read or didn't understand a single one of my posts. I have explained several times what I believe the positives are and that while there may be some perceived negatives they are far outweighed by the positives so there is no sesne in even trying to take the conversation down this road.

Not without also admitting that the reasons revolve solely around greed;)

Archery or bowhunting? Archery may not have much benefit while bowhunters and bowhunting tend to benfit a great deal by having an increased presence in the field. How can you possibly argue that there isn't strength in numbers? But either way pick a story and stick with it. In one sentence you say the effects of crossbows on bow season will be catastophic and in the next sentence you say there is no one out there wanting to use crossbows and that we wouldn't gain any hunters. It's not helping your argument that you keep flip flopping and it's not helping your argument that you keep dodging me like a championship fighter[:-]

Well two things go into play there. One most people don't want to go in the woods with a lesser weapon when everyone else is out there with a gun but you are still excluding those people from the archery season based on your own predjudice. Two, I would be willing to bet that your state has no way of tracking how many deer were killed by each different type of weapon during the gun season so in actuality you have no way to say whether they are being utilized or not.

No I said it gave them choices. I said it gives people that couldn't otherwise be in the woods a chance to be in the woods. I said it gave people a chance to enter the sport at a level they felt more comfortable. I said it lessened the chance of of wounded deer for new archers. You put the only spin you can to that which is "doesn't force them to learn (and pay their dues and be a big man like me:eek:) blah blah blah yea we get it no one else deserves to be in the woods unless they are as physically able as your are and have jumped through as many hoops. Yea we got it:eek:


Right you mean archery is what it is to you. It is what you have built it up in your mind to be (an elitist boys club). Because archery is something different to everyone and just because it's something different to them doesn't make you right and them wrong.

I say they can hunt but why should they have to limit themselves to such a short season when you could share "your" achery woods with them. I say why should they have to wait until the gun season and then hunt with a weapon that is so inferior to a gun when they could be hunting during the bow season and sharing the woods with weapons that are much much more similar. I say "want" is also the pivotal issue which is why I have spent 95+ pages trying to convince you guys that you need to help convince the Fish and Game folks rather than standing in the way and lobbying against little Johnny.

Getting more people involved in the bowhunting doesn't make bowhunting better and stronger?

How do you know until you give it a shot. It certainly hasn't hurt things in the states where they are allowed. At least not by the accounts of the hunters and that's what you are really worried about isn't it?

Sure you can but it's just self justification of your own greed and self righteousness.

Now that's like saying if women deserved to vote they would have been allowed to vote. But that isn't right, they did have the right to vote but it took them a long time to get those privlidges. Before that the states had it wrong.