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And like Silent and Data have said all along, they never even see a xbow....If that is the case, why even bother? To pander to a very very very small handful?

But DC that argument can be used both ways. If it's going to have little to no effect on you and it allows that small minority that couldn't otherwise be there, to be in the woods what is the negative?

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Sure, that hasn't happened in AR, GA , or OH, but they make up just a twinkling of the bowhunting community. If xbows were passed nationwide, I believe we would see the end of compound bow hunting as we know it.

That may be the case but why hasn't it happened it the states where it is legal. I will answer that for you. Because bowhunters like me and you are going to do things the way we have been doing them for years. We don't want to use draw loacks so them being legal is going to make no difference to us because we don't want to use them anyway. I suspect the majoirty of bowhunters are going to do the same. So allowing someone else the oppurtunity to do that isn't going to make you or I any difference. In all of my years bowhunting I have know of one guy using a draw lock and that was so he wouldn't have to set out archery season after his back surgery. He could have bought a crossbow but it was cheaper for him to just buy a draw lock other than that the largest otdoor store in NE Arkansas bought one last summer for a guy that ordered it but never came to pick it up and it's still just setting there and they haven't been able to sell it and we're in a bow only zone.

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I knew you would bring that up;) The reason is due the fears noted in that same post

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BOWFANATIC - I'm sorry I didn't answer to your stisfaction. How about this - we take surveys of AR, OH and GA archery hunters over the next 3 years. Lets say the results are 5% trad hunters, 70% compound hunters and 25% crossbow hunters, we'll divy up the archery season accordingly, allowing trad hunters to hunt the most, crossbows having the next longest archery season and compounders the fewest archery days.

Thoughts ?

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What your worried about I am too.I love my bow season and would hate to see it shorten up

Has seasons ever been shortened because of crossbows ??

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Which was Data's point with the whole thread..... you are arguing because you do not percieve a negative to changing something, then it should be changed.

Thats partly true. Its more like I see compounds are being a MORE advantageous wepaon, wll tricked out, high letoff, triggered released, better accuracy ........ allowing the crossbow would actually be allowing a little bit inferior weapon IMO. What would it hurt ? Thats the whole POINT to archery season - allowing primitive weapons, right ? Allowing challenging weapons that maximize the days a guy hunts and minimizes the chances he'll kill something. I just don't see allowing one without allowing the other. They are that similar IMO.

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Archery season doesn't benefit, archers do not benefit.

Crossbow bowhunters ARE archers. If you think they are not, then I don't think your compound is based on my shooting a recurve, right ?

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Change should be because change improves or makes better ... and in the end, that is why crossbows are not allowed in almost every state.

MA Jay - more and more states are inching towards allowing them - even you must realize this. Theres a reason - the G&F see crossbows as adding hunters, adding revenue, maximizing the resources and all that comes with minimal impacts on archery season as proven in the states that allow crossbows.

More and more states will allow them. I promise.

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And like Silent and Data have said all along, they never even see a xbow....If that is the case, why even bother? To pander to a very very very small handful?

Because about 8 weeks ago I played basketball and tore my shoulder up. I haven't shot much lately - because it hurts. I have an egg size lump on top my right shoulder - its still very inflamed. My Dad has chronic shoulder issues. As it stands, I might be able to practice enough with my recurve to hunt this fall. I might not. I might be able to shoot a compound - I might not. Because I live in AR, I can hunt with a crossbow if it comes to that. I'll be a minority in the woods, I won't have to get a handicap permit or nonsense like that - I can bowhunt, regardless of my shoulder pain.

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If xbows were passed nationwide, I believe we would see the end of compound bow hunting as we know it. The bows would continually evolve until the xbow and compound were the EXACT same weapon, one being horizonal, the other vertical.

I submit that when the compound was allowed, what you just said was what happened to the recurve/longbow. Back then, if you were archery you WERE recurve/longbow hunters. The compound was introduced, and the beginning of the end started. What you fear happened - except it was YOUR choice of bow, the compound, that ended what up til then had been recurve/longbow archery season.

Knowing this - knowing the compound effectively revolutionized archery and made recurves/longbows a rare sight in the woods - why are you against it happening again ? (like it really would) You fear it because its YOUR bow that will become extinct ? Again - you love the compound because its YOUR choice, but its already done to recurves what you fear crossbows will do to compounds. Isn't that ironic ?

It was mentioned what crossbows would bring to archery season. I ask - what do compounds bring ?

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ORIGINAL: Double Creek

Burnie, go back, I responded several pages ago

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Most of my posts here have been in fun, but this kinda bothers me. What about the poor guys who cant draw a bow. I know people who like to bow hunt but can no longer draw a bow due to age or injury. We have a beloved member on this sight who has to use one. Are you saying they have to wait until gun season because they are now less a hunter? Now that is a nice kick in the balls there for ya.

I thought it went without saying that the guy that can no longer use a bow should be able to hunt with an xbow during archery season. That is already legal in most states, including mine.

Sorry, it is hard to keep up with this merathon thread.:D

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Help, Help, Ive fallin into this tread,,,,,,,, and I cant get up.

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Dang BigJ! I didn't expect a reply until the morning. Are you working nights too? Or are you just letting this crap keep you up all night?

No I own a small company and like all small business owners, I have no idea what a 40hr work week is.... 60 to 80 yeah but 40? I get a lot of work done between 10 pm and 3am

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BigJ12 - did you respond to my inquiry on Matt Jones ?? I can't keep up either !

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I knew you would bring that up The reason is due the fears noted in that same post

Fears are understanable I am not saying that I don't understand your concerns because I do. But I can't help but point to the states where they have been legalized and my own perosnal experience when I say that I no evidence and or reason think that your fears would come to fruition. In my case I am always going to err on the side the I think will give all hunters the benefit of being in the woods and that will get the most hunters involved. Afterall, I we keep losing hunters at the rate we have been losing them there may not be a bowseason for us to argue about in the first place. The only way I know to prevent against that is by keeping our numbers strong and recruiting new members rather than turing them away. Allowing weapons that may be perceived as more efficient is only going to be a plus to the bowhunting community because right now the anti's don't see it as a viable weapon and that's why they are pressing the bowhunting issue in particular.

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Knowing this - knowing the compound effectively revolutionized archery and made recurves/longbows a rare sight in the woods - why are you against it happening again ? (like it really would) You fear it because its YOUR bow that will become extinct ? Again - you love the compound because its YOUR choice, but its already done to recurves what you fear crossbows will do to compounds. Isn't that ironic ?

No Data, at this point a compound is still a bow.... I don't think anyone would argue that. But, once it becomes a vertical xbow, you lose that....IMO when it has 99% letoff, a draw lock and a arm brace, it is not longer bowhunting.... it is vertical xbow hunting.....

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Be back in few hours, keep it real