I thought it went without saying that the guy that can no longer use a bow should be able to hunt with an xbow during archery season. That is already legal in most states, including mine.

I thought I did a pretty good job of making about the issue rather than personal. I got an attitude with those that got an attitude with me and debated politely with those that debated politely with me. You threw me a personal shot in gest and I threw you one back. You guys think of me as a mirror, all I did is give you back the attitude that I felt like I was getting from you. Quite honestly I haven't gotten mad or taken this thread personally or I would have left it by now. I have been having a good time with it therefore I have continued to post. I kind of hat to see this thread die seeing as it may wind up being an all time record breaker for the bowhunting forum.

PS matt I will give you props for being a stand up guy and admitting that you had a change of opinion. I honestly had to do the same thing because I was anti-crossbow myself. I think it says more a lot about a guy when he is willing to admit he was wrong rather than just continue to argue for the sake of arguing. Not that the arguing isn't fun

Mattiac - exactly - they don't flex nearly as much as they use to. That means the bows are increasingly becoming less and less bow and more and more ........... bows on steroids !

Those who don't like the idea of crossbows ........... at what point are YOU going to draw the line that a compound is just too damn technologicially advanced ? A few years back it was >65% letoff - remember ? Remember when mechancial releases were not allowed ? Remember when mechnical head were not allowed ? I'm sure ya'll can bring up more things that are standard on compounds now that use to be taboo.

When will enough be enough ? I mean geeeeeeeeeez, you're only holding 10-15% of the letoff as it is, the bows are 32" ATA and 3.2 pounds, they have 8 1/2' brace heights, horizontal limbs ........... cams the size of a dinner plate and SIMS out the yang - how much MORE advanced can we take ?

Answer : a lot

i have solution

In your state if you dont like crossbows being in archery call your state capitol and chew their a** and spit them out and chew them up again!

If people want to use one let them use the dam* thing and hunt somewhere else.

seeing everyone yak back and forth has made me realize one thing that no one else has. im thankful i have the choice to use one or the other and have the choice to hunt or not. some places dont have choices we have and lets be thankful for it while we have it before we lose it! CASE CLOSED!

Well, thing is, people in states WITH crossbows have magically discovered their legality doesn't effect their deer hunting at all. And no one at the state capital cares - its the G&F heaquarters that might

Same can be said about the compound (and should have been 40 years ago huh ?)

I thought I would revisit this post....I'm sure you wish I didn't.

Above are retorts to all of your weak excuses for my comparison......except for one! and that is all of your "so does a recurve" responces. I don't know what you were thinking because by including recurves into to equation you are bolstering my argument. If you want to say a compound and a recurve and a crossbow are the same you will not get an argument from me! I knew it from the start. Thanks for helping me prove my point that crossbows ARE like not only compounds but as you have pointed out recurves too.

So...what? since we are already screwed let's just throw in the towel? Not me. Alot of the advances in recent years are options, not necessarily standard. IMO, there is a huge difference between only holding 20% of the weight and holding 0% of the weight. Also, the number one reason I fight xbows is the fact that you can sit on your arse, prop that baby up against your climber and shoot whatever comes into range, without moving a muscle.......Now, that is not bowhunting, atleast not the way I've done it for the past 15years. Sure, it looks like a freaking bow, but it's not a bow. Sure, it has similar effective ranges, but it's not a bow. If you don't have to draw, hold by hand, etc, it's not a bow.

Now, I realize ya'll have tried to debunk those 2 arguements over the last 80 pages, but the fact remains that anyone that shoots an xbow will have baby propped up, taking a riflemen approach to shooting game. That is not bowhunting. Oh sure, there are products for the bow that do the same, but they should be just as illegal as the the xbow is and in most states I believe they are.

You can show your pic of the concept 99, the draw lock, the bow holder, etc, but the fact remains that those items are extreme, considered illegal in many places for hunting, and are not used by the hunting community for all practical purposes.

Yep, your calls combined with those of the anti-hunters and you just may be albe to get the whole damn season canceled

Dude .... don't you get it??? The line is drawn! and it is when you make a compound bow a crossbow! When you make a bow something else and no longer require archery skills to shoot it, that's where you stop.

That's not hypocritical, it's not the same thing. When someone tries to hold the compound bow at full draw through the use of something other than arm strength ... it's not the same thing at all.

I think data is saying that it sure seems convenient that is where you guys decided to draw the line. I almost sounds like self justification[:-]