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I get such a kick out of reading about guys who feel their compounds make them so much more the archer than a crossbow shooter but never think for a second how much tougher it is for REAL archers who shoot recurves/longbows !

:D

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Xbows aren't legal in AK for archery season

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Datamax ,
the last argument against them is that "real" bowhunters have to draw in the presence of game . Did this just negate that ?

No more visible movement ?

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This thread is a joke.

You ask for the "negatives" of introducing a crossbow, and then disallow or dismiss many of the comments made against them.

Not only that, but you went on to say; There are very few holes in the case to allow crossbows, and that you once opposed them being introduced into the archery season.

Knowing how opposed many are to them and having been opposed to them yourself! Why not tip your hand, and let the others know WHAT the few "holes" in the crossbow case are? Thereby allowing them to defend what they consider an archery season, sacred to those people only wanting to use tackle that is drawn and held in place by the user. Not by draw locs, cranks, or any other means of locking the bow at full or partial draw.

Though these reasons have been stated time and time again, I would like to express my concerns for allowing able bodied hunters to use a crossbow during archery seasons.

Allowing the use of crossbows will draw more hunters to the woods, whether they are multi-season hunters or not, they will cause over-crowding of woods that most deem to be crowded enough.

In turn, over-crowded woods, would increase the likelyhood of accidents.

Crossbows also offer the unfair advantage of having the bow drawn and ready to shoot when deer appear. Any traditional archery tackle requires you to draw in the presence of the animal, using your own strength to draw and remain drawn. This takes much more skill and woodsmanship, than the point and shoot process that crossbows allow! Though the range can not be compared to a gun, the skill necessary in loosing a shot is identical.

The attitude surrounding many (not all) of the would be users of crossbows is that of an extra tag, the majority of them would be gun-hunters looking to cross over for some more time in the woods. Many of the gun hunters I share the woods with are unethical slobs, these are not the folks I want carrying crossbows into the same woods as me. I prefer to keep them separate from us. Handing them a short-range weapon that fires arrows, is not going to change their attitude or their ethics. Especially when the method of which you shoot it, is identical to a firearm.

If they so badly want to join the ranks of archers, I suggest they purchase a bow...a long bow, a recurve or a compound. Practice with it until they are sufficient enough to take an animal at short range with it. Then they can get their extra tag, and will possibly learn some more respect for the animals they pursue. They will also gain respect from the other archers who know the difficulty in drawing on weary game animals.

We as string pulling, limb bending archers should not have to bend our rules to the likings of others. If they want to hunt during archery season, they need to learn to draw and release a bow.


Though you may not deem the reasons given "fit", I see no positive reasons given that would prove allowing them to be beneficial.

Keep the crossbows for the dedicated archers who are disabled, and no longer able to participate using traditional archery tackle.

By the way, after reading about 20 pages of this, its my belief that you are looking to denounce the compound bow, by comparing it to the crossbow.

I hold much respect for archers using the more primitive weapons, such as longbows, or recurves. A tad more respect than for archers using hightech compounds. But I lose respect for those same archers when they try to compare a mechaniclly drawn and held cross"bow" to a compound bow drawn and held by the archer.

While there are some advancements in modern compound bow technology that I disagree with, (such as super high let-offs) I think even the most uneducated or inexperienced person could see the difference between hunting with a compound bow, or with a crossbow.

Know why they call it a cross bow? because its a cross between a gun and a bow! HAHAHAHAA

You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Bows locked at full or partial draw, or bows that reduce the holding weight to merely pounds that can be held and shot accurately for several minutes, should never be allowed into the archery season. Whether they are hand held, use stocks, or incorporate high-% let-off. They take away the whole reason we hunt with bows. To get close to an animal, and using your woodsmanship skills, to draw the bow back without alerting the animal to your presence. Take that away, and you're simply "gun-hunting" with a bow.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

My God Kevin, people will try the dumbest things!!!:D

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Yeah, im gonna mount an umbrella on my stabilizer an walk around shooting deer. Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever saw.

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But you're responding, aren't you ?

Well, I asked for a VALID regative, not a wives tale or make believe one.

Thats right. I too once believed crossbow were bad until I had to THINK about it and explain WHY I didn't approve of them and only then did I realize I didn't even know WHY I thought they were bad. I just regurgetated what the P&Y club and the PBS told me to think.

70 pages have discussed it - read it. But still, you can lead a horse to water .........


You mean like the millions of guys hunting in archery season in Arkansas, Ohio, Georgia, Canada and other states ? Why, NO, you don't mean that, because those states allow crossbows and have never seen overcrowded archery season. Not to mention your precious compouds are what keep archery season "crowded"

Thats one I debunked

Okay, whats THE #1 accident in the archery hunting woods ? Self wounding ? Shooting another ? Nope - I'm guessing falling out of the stand. But if you're trying to justify the use of a speecific weapon based on the the dangers invloved ? Thats crazy - simply crazy. nd more people get hurt with compounds, truth be known.

Thats two I debunked

Did you get that right from the P&Y Website ?

#1 - what is unfair ? Your compound has more technology than a Stealth fighter and you want to talk advantage ? 330 fps, mechanical heads, machined aluminum risers, fiber sights that glow in the dark, triggered releases ......... and you want to talk advantage ? Crossbows are bulky, heavy, not easily used when stalking game, they lose a lot of their trajectory in a hurry ... all negatives you cannot say about the crossbow, can you ?

#2 - Drawing in the presence of game ? See a deer, watch it stop behind some trees, draw your compound, wait, wait, hold, hold, use your sights, triggered release and when you feel like it pull the trigger. Thats presence ? No - drawing a recurve is presence of game - a compound is anything but for the majority of shot.

Thats another I've debunked

So ? Majority of compounders shoot 2 season too. And we all get the same ammount of tags anyway - whats it matter ? Deer herds are huge in numbers - you cannot deny that.

I can say the same thing about compounders - can't I ?

BWWAHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAH !!! LOL - that was funny. Do you think compounds generate energy through the limbs bending ? Its all in the cams. You draw the bow with a release, not even with your FINGERS, you have a high letoff, you release with a trigger using sights .......... DUDE ! You are exactly what you HATE !

Then you need to re-read it. I'm saying that a compound IS comparable to a crossbow and superior in MANY WAYS and therefore why allow the compound and not hte crossbow when in every state a crossbow HAS been allowed there have been no negative effects ?

Uh .... no, its a bow with cross limbs. Your version would be a cross-gun or a gun-bow or a gun-cross or something like that.

Where is that ? You can have all the technology YOU want to make your shooting better and easier ....... but you don't want anyone else to have better and easier too ?

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Holy Crap batman. I have to join in so I can be part of the record book.

I also have to say wow over some of the crazy things posted here.

Wow.

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Im not even going to try to go back and read all the stuff on here, but I must inquire, has anyone thought of kicking rifle hunters out of the woods. I mean, smooth bore muskets are the only way to hunt.;)

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I think if you werent such an elitist about your precious traditional tackle, and if you didnt work so hard at denouncing the compounds, I may actually listen to what you have to say.

Not to mention that you took most of what I said out of context. I agree that there are too many advancements in the compound today. Perhaps you missed it in my thread though, seems you have selective reading.

VERY DIFFICULT to discuss something with someone who suffers from SELECTIVE READING.
Heres a tip for you, read my entire thread, and rather than picking out the sentences you dont like, put together a coherent response taking into consideration ALL my thoughts and words.

You still didnt answer my question as to why not tell us the "holes" in your side. You danced around that one.

Keep posting your thoughts, it just makes it more and more obvious your hatred for compounds. If you had it your way, we would only be allowed to use longbows and cedar arrows. We would fashion our broadheads out of stone, and tie turkey feathers on with sinew.

I have great respect for traditional archers, there is no doubt its harder. But you are failing to see the difference between technology and technique. If crossbows were so similar to bows, why werent they widely accepted into archery seasons many many years ago? They have been around for a VERY LONG time...why all of a sudden the push for them to be included?

Well Im tired, so Im off to bed.....but I have some further points for you to try and "debunk" tomorrow.

Heck, maybe you can convince me, and others, to accept crossbows. Though from your attitude, that doesnt seem to be your intentions. Your intentions seem to be pretty clear. You want to poke fun at compound shooters, and prove your superior. Good for you, takes a manly man to inflate his ego on a bowhunting forum. 72 pages of the same argument, with nothing being accomplished, you must really be trying hard to convince us! Your mommy must be proud.;)