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BigJ71 03-29-2005 10:43 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Were not back to "a crossbow is a gun" crap again......I thought I put that one to bed for good. well I'll give it another try.

By it's definition a cross bow is a bow and shooting it is a form of archery. This is not from me, it's from the dictionary, if you don't believe me just pick one up and read it for yourself. You know it's not JUST for spelling words, it actually DEFINES what things are if you don't know.

To all of you who still don't believe a crossbow is a bow. Are you telling me we should just disregard what the dictionary defines as a bow and as archery just because it dosen't fit your argument?

BigJ71 03-29-2005 11:16 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

To all of you who still don't believe a crossbow is a bow. Are you telling me we should just disregard what the dictionary defines as a bow and as archery just because it dosen't fit your argument?
To add to my own quote.

If I told you a tomato was a vegetable because it looks like a vegetable and tastes like a vegetable and therefore should not be considered a fruit peroid! I don't care if it has the same basic makeup as a fruit, and I don't care if the dictionary says it's a fruit, I'm going to disregard that and still say it's not fruit because It dosen't look or taste like one!...... Well in the end the tomato is still a fruit and that just can't be changed.

I hope my little "tomato that could" story made some sense to some of you who are too thick headed to let yourself come to the realization that no matter how much you don't want a crossbow to be a bow because it dosen't function like YOU preconceived it should, by definition, it still is.

BOWFANATIC 03-29-2005 11:34 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Look , you fellas are debating the crossbow issue. Some of you refuse to see/admit the differences between a crossbow and a compound so I searched for a well thought out response that summed up my own feelings. The truth of the matter is , the quote I posted is fact pure and simple. Your refusal to accept that fact is no different than my refusal to accept the possibility or even the probability that crossbows wont have a negative impact on our general archery season. So what do ya say we stop degrading each other from here on out?

Jack Ryan 03-29-2005 11:48 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
ORIGINAL: datamax

Jack Ryan - calling it like I see it. You could say a CON of a crossbow is that they weight over 10 pounds. Hey, thats not a CON, its just a silly little detail. Much like everything else that you and others have posted.

And yeah, its because I say so. :D


So did Ray Charles.
:D

SO in other words, rules should never be changed, even though they were a couple of decades ago to allow YOUR crossbows to be legalized huh ? If you're true to your beliefs then you should hate the fact that compounds were once lobbyed for and allowed in archery season.


Did I say that?
No I didn't and you know I didn't. It's just another lame attempt by a crossbow zealot to exagerate a comment. Huff and puff all you want. It doesn't change the simple truth. It's not a bow and arrow. It doen't belong in a season regulated and established with the intent for the use of bows and arrows.
I'll tell you what threads like this does. A lot of people read them, see the difference and the similarities and peoples minds change. They've always heard how bad crossbows are, how evil they are - and threads like this point out clearly that they are NONE of those things and its based on factual information.


Dry your tears and go hunting. Bad or what ever else hurts your little feelings is not relevant. It's not a bow and arrow. The regulations of most early archery seasons were written to deliberately exclude crossbows. They were never intended to be in archery season and only whiney cry babys want to hunt bow and arrow season and then cry all year long because they don't want to use a bow and arrow. It's not a bit different than some guy who wants to use a rifle in the wrong season for rifles. It's not a bow and arrow. Only a dimwitt couldn't see that simple fact.
Why, actually it IS a bow and arrow. The definition of WHAT a bow is ......... hey thats what a crossbow is ! And if you want to be picky - a compound pushes what a bow and arrow is.

Why can't it be like it use to be ? A bow and arrow is a stick and string. No compounds, no crossbows .......... deal ?


A rose is a rose and a dandelion is not a rose. YOU can call it a rose all you want but that doesn't make it one and a crossbow is not a bow and arrow.
Theres no reason to. Allowing them in archery season would have no negative effects. Its like asking for a handgun season, an inline muzzleloading season, a caplock season, a 12 ga shotgun season, a 20 ga shotgun season ......... its grossly unneccesary.

But yeah - lop off 3/4 of the archery season and give it back to the trad hunters. 1/8 of the orig arhcery season could be for crossbows, 1/8 for compounds.

Yeah ........ I'll go with that concept.

Hey - whats wrong with a seperate compound season, right ?
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Go with what ever you want. You are the one who will have to explain it to the CO.

Jack Ryan 03-29-2005 11:56 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ORIGINAL: silentassassin
Well actually jacko, they are legal where I live and what I am trying to promote is that sometimes being hard headed and closed minded hurts everyone.
So what are you whimpering about? How can I hurt you in any way by prefering they keep them out of our early archery season in Indiana? Unless you are a paid employee of the crossbow industry I don't see your dog in this contest.

Dry those tears and go hunt. In fact invite your crossbow crybaby contingent to join you where they all seem to think it is so much better. Instead of changing the rule to suit those few whiners take all the whiners with you where they are welcome to crossbow to their little hearts content.

Thanks for the tip (not so )silentassassinino.

Jack Ryan 03-30-2005 12:06 AM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ORIGINAL: silentassassin

First of all jacko, I dont' even hunt with a crossbow.
Let's add this up.
Notsosilentassasinino lives where crossbows are perfectly legal.
Notsosilentassasinino doesn't even hunt with a crossbow.
Notsosilentassasinino seems to think he is an expert in advicing states where crossbows are NOT legal archery equipment for archery season.
Notsosilentassasinino seems to think the states who don't heed his advise are unducated, stubborn, retarded and need his advise on bigfoot as well.

What exactly is that called when a person puts a stick in a stirs a topic for kicks?


Second of all jacko it is legal here so there is nothing to get over. Third of all jacko you may need to look in the mirror when you talk about a group crying like a little girl. However, it is pretty sad to see how narrow minded, stubborn, and uneducated some of you guys are. You guys making claims to that crossbows are going to do this and they are going to do that and then ignoring the states where they have been introduced is retarded. It's like you claiming to be an expert on big foot though you have never actually seen one. Well guess what. I have seen it. I have lived around it for 30 years and I am telling that you fears are unfounded and irrational.
Maybe in dog years, kiddo.

Jack Ryan 03-30-2005 12:11 AM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ORIGINAL: MA Jay

In fact you have won me over that crossbows are NOT evil or wrong, even though I never thought as such.
So is that a big accomplishment when the preacher makes a sale to the choir?

BigJ71 03-30-2005 12:40 AM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Look , you fellas are debating the crossbow issue. Some of you refuse to see/admit the differences between a crossbow and a compound so I searched for a well thought out response that summed up my own feelings. The truth of the matter is , the quote I posted is fact pure and simple. Your refusal to accept that fact is no different than my refusal to accept the possibility or even the probability that crossbows wont have a negative impact on our general archery season. So what do ya say we stop degrading each other from here on out?
I never said that there weren't differences between the two quite the contrary. I believe there are differences between the two, but I also believe that there are similarities as well. In fact enough similarities that they are both considered to be "bows"

The quote you posted was someones opinion no? not fact. What I posted WAS fact as it is straight from the dictionary. How much more factual can it get?

BigJ71 03-30-2005 01:07 AM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

quote:

Dry your tears and go hunting. Bad or what ever else hurts your little feelings is not relevant. It's not a bow and arrow. The regulations of most early archery seasons were written to deliberately exclude crossbows. They were never intended to be in archery season and only whiney cry babys want to hunt bow and arrow season and then cry all year long because they don't want to use a bow and arrow. It's not a bit different than some guy who wants to use a rifle in the wrong season for rifles. It's not a bow and arrow. Only a dimwitt couldn't see that simple fact.
Well you are wrong.

Just pick up a dictionary and read what the definition of a bow is. It's very clear, then read what the definition of archery is it's also very clear. After doing this you will see that a crossbow fits in the definition of a bow and it's use fits the definition of archery. Unless of course you think the dictionary is only for us "dimwits"

Just because a state dosen't allow hunting with a crossbow does not mean it's not a bow surely you understand that concept? In Illinois it's not legal to hunt deer with a .22 but it's still a gun.

Before you go spouting off again about us "dimwits" please pick up a dictionary and read it....you might just LEARN something.

BOWFANATIC 03-30-2005 03:19 AM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

The quote you posted was someones opinion no? not fact. What I posted WAS fact as it is straight from the dictionary. How much more factual can it get?
Actually no. What I posted was a fact. Anyone here can try and pick it apart but they wont succeed because it is fact. It is without a doubt the shooting proccess differences between the two down to a T.
What you posted was also a fact. I'm not argueing that. By definition (dictionary) a crossbow is a bow. A crossbow pistol is a bow. A 300win mag is a firearm. A .50 cal muzzle loader is a firearm. A .22 rimfire is a firearm.

O.K. Lets hash out what we've accomplished so far.

A thread was started supposedly to debate the impacts of crossbow during general archery season. In doing so , the original poster belittled , degraded , and humiliated compound shooters in the process.

Name calling ensued , individual degrading occurred , silly bets were made , and in the end the folks who were against crossbows in general archery season before are still against them. Some of the folks who were against crossbow use before are probably even more against it now due to the tactics used in trying to get a message accross. The folks who were in favor of crossbows are still in favor of crossbows. Some maybe even more due to the personal attacks generated from this thread.

So here we are with over 50 pages of crap!

If any bets are made?

Here's one thats a given.

I'd be willing to bet that within 10 years the majority of states will allow crossbows during the general archery season.:eek: Do a search on how many states are currently looking at the crossbow issue seriously. You'll be surprised. I know my state will vote on it next month.

If the crossbow proponents win? I dont wish this very often but if they win I sure as hell hope you guys are right and I'm wrong!

It's been fun!


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