RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Well we are though I think the majority of you (as you pointed out) are going to be to harded headed to admit it either way.



We really don't need anti-hunters when we have hunters lobbying to keep other hunters out of the field. jacko thinks I am stirring the pot but I don't have a dog in this fight other than my future hunting rights and if you'll notice I didn't get in on this thread for quite a while because I didn't feel like arguing this again. At the end of the day all of you guys can do is point to your personal preference and the fact that a crossbow is shouldered when it's shot. Yet we pointed out several upsides that are also upsides for hunting in general. In my opinion, and obviously several of the Game and fish divisions around the country, your opinions are harmful to hunting. I have been on the same side of the coin that y'all are on the only difference was I had enough sense to re-evalute and take personal preference out of the mix and look at what was best for hunting and hunters in general and admit that I was wrong. All that you guys have won by becoming stronger in your convictions is to help drive a wedge between hunters and to admit that you are going to openly lobby against other hunters (wish is precisely what anti-hunters do) and drvie people away from the sport that may potentially be the future. I don't blame you guys. I would be patting myself on the back as well.:eek::([:'(][&:][:@] you guys aren't hurting anybody by refusing to listen, but yourselves. I'm just trying spread some education and keep you guys from making a mistake. Hopefully the game and fish departments will leave it out of your hands and make the right decisions and your opinions won't matter anyway.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Your quote:
No you didn't say you could kill deer at 100 yards but it's certainly the picture that you have been trying to paint. You did however say that your uncle killed yotes that are about 1 tenth the size of a deer at 100 + yards.

PS I wasn't name calling. I was making a joke to make you look stupid but I wasn't name calling.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

That's so true. I was actually thinking about this last night and saw a positive to allowing cross bows during archery season. In my parts the gun hunters loath bow hunters as we often get a full month or more of hunting the big bucks before the gun hunters get a crack at them. In light of the HSUS attack on bow hunting, by adding additional hunters in the ranks of archery we sure up our position and get less bickering between hunters and as a result we can better defend against anti's.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

gunhunters dislike bowhunters

bowhunters dislike gunhunters

traditionists dislike compound users

compound users dislike crossbow users

PETA HATES US ALL!

One arrow on its own is easy to break but 13 together .......

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BigJ, your dictionary definition intrigued me .. so I went looking what the definition of a "crossbow" was as you have shown the "bow" and "archery" definitions ... here it is,

A crossbow consists of a prod (similar in appearance to a bow) mounted on a stock similar to a rifle stock, which has a mechanism to wind and shoot its bolts. These bolts are typically called quarrels, and do not depend upon lift as arrows do. The stock and trigger of hand-held firearms may have been copied from crossbows.

Crossbow bolts must be made to have consistent weights as the mechanical process of engaging a bolt forces a more uniform process than that of using a bow and arrow. This consistent performance was part of what made the crossbow historically a significant force in warfare.

A crossbow contains a string which is held in place by a nut when the bolt is loaded and the cross bow is engaged (referred to as at full cock). Typically, the nut is at the end of the shelf (also called the bolt rest).


Now if you are using the definition of archery and bows as proof crossbows are actually archery equipment, how do you explain the definition of what a crossbow is?

I also posted a WAYS back very specific answers to many of your questions and arguments but no one seemed to reply. I addressed the question why compounds were considered bows and allowed during archery season while crossbows weren't -
I also replied to if "why" that was considered ok.

Hopefully my last post here and I hope someone reads it .. but guys just because you disagree with the other persons point, such as Pro's and Con's doesn't make them wrong or right. The Con's I noted are Con's I perceive .. and dismissing them out of hand certainly doesn't make you right and me wrong .. just as it doesn't make me right. Instead of arguing from your own side .. try looking and arguing from the other side. Data brought it up originally as why he is now a convert for Crossbows. Why not argue from the bowhunter side and maybe you'll see why we feel that crossbows are different and should be separate.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I have already been on that side of the coin and after years of thinking about both sides of the issue this is where I have landed. So I have spent time looking at it fom the bowhunter side.

Because I have spent time on that side and then I realized that I didn't have the right to push my principles on anyone else and that those principles were actually going to harm hunting in general in the long run. It's not that I don't have the capability to look at both sides or even that I am unwilling to. I have spent plenty of time looking at both sides of the issue. I just finally came to the realization that my opinion and my own self interest were not the most important part of the equation.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

The more I think about it, the more silly arguments that are attempted to validate the differences in crossbows, the more obvious the differences in compounds becomes apparent.

Compounds should never have been made legal. That was a huge mistake that has led to tens of thousands of additional bowhunters in archery season. Re-read the previous posts - its been pointed out that additional archery hunters is a bad thing, not desireable.

Compounds are high tech, constantly evolving into faster, more accurate, shorter, lighter, better and all with less practice. They really have nothing in common with real bows anymore. They draw differently, they're held differently, very little holding weight on full draw, triggered release ........... they are what anti-crossbow hunters hate through and through.

Applying the same arguments to compounds that compounders do to crossbows, its very clear that COMPOUNDS should not be allowed in archery season. Thats the only conclusion that can be drawn, it really is. The very same reasons compounders apply to crossbows , when applied to compounds = seperate compound season. Doesn't it ?

Now, its my belief and opinion, based on over 30 years of legal crossbows, compounds, longbow and recurves in my home state of Arkansas, that all should be allowed in archery season.

Why ? Well, they've been legal here all along, and our deer herds continue to grow, theres been no reduction in seasons dure to them, the woods are not flooded with crossbow hunters ........... absolutely NONE of the fears expressed in over 50 pages here have come true. And it didn't come true in OH, or GA, or Texas either and its highly unlikely it would happen in MS, IL MI or any other states. Too many known facts point to those fears NEVER happening. And not one negative of a crossbow can be put forth that cannot be reasoned away as simply an unfounded fear.

Those who cannot see that plain logic, that obvious reasoning ............. you're not opening your eyes. I'm sorry, its true. Ya'll are holding onto old PBS/P&Y fears that have been preached for years, fears that are unfounded and based on nothing factual.

Want to make archery season ARCHERY again ? Outlaw the mechanical release. Outlaw >65% letoff (remember a decade ago when those battles raged ?). Remove the compounds from achery season totally. Lobby for a seperate season for trad bows, compounds and crossbows.

But saying that YOUR compound, being easy to shoot, high letoff, triggereed release, sights and scopes, fast, hard hitting, accurate to 100 yards or more ............ saying that kind of bow should be legal but a crossbow should because crossbows are easy to shoot, high letoff, triggereed release, sights and scopes, fast, hard hitting, accurate to 100 yards or more ?????????


Thats absolutely the craziest argument around. Its like saying I want to drive my big 4x4 Ford truck, but the equivalent truck in a GMC ? No, we shouldn't allow that because its got GMC on the front, style a bit differently, run a bit different ............ essentially the SAME kind of truck, but cosmetically differnent and therefore we should ban them from the highways.


Crazy - but very similar to the argument AGAINST crossbows, itsn't it ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

That could not be more true. We all must UNITE as hunters and sportsman in order to defete the HSUS [:@]. Because divided we will fall. [:'(]

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Puff, puff, I'm out of breath! This thread is faster than me! Look, the pro-crossbow guys in states that allow it aren't going to change their minds and neither are the anti-crossbow guys. Everything I've seen is based on perceptions, attitudes, and personal opinions. You aren't going to change each other's minds so you might as well give it up.

I don't use a crossbow and probably never will. My OPINION is that their use is so insignificant in my home state of Arkansas that they aren't a factor, so who cares if they are legal? My OPINION is that I will do a better job with my compound than with a crossbow. My OPINION is that if only recurves were legal in my state I would use one. My OPINION is that this thread is a futile exercise at this point.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Actually, more and more people are realizing that compounds have come too far, and that they're better hunting weapons than crossbows ............ so why NOT allow crossbows ? More and more people are joining these threads saying "hell, don't bother me any"

The tides are changing.

GRIZZLYMAN - another bowhunter from a crossbow state saying that the crossbow has no impact on his bowhunting.

When are you anti-crossbow people going to finally say "damn, I guess crossbows DON'T have any negative impacts" the FACTS abound to prove this.