RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Oh it is? Is that another one of you just because YOU say so declarations? Kinda like the "just give me one blah blah blay" then you declare every response you don't like not a valid reason. You offered up your opinion. I'll give mine. I'll let the moderator determine if it's in the correct thread or not.

If you have a concern with my comments being on topic you should take it up with the mods. I'm sure if there is any validity to your claims the situation will be corrected quite quickly. Other wise your opinion smells just like everyone else's.
The never bucked the rules to get anything of mine nor anything for me. I read the rule book. Learned the weapons and the seasons they were legal to use them in and then made my self proficient with the weapon appropriate for the time and animal I chose to hunt. If you'd rather just be a whiner than buck up like everyone else, feel free. You are free to whine and cry around all you want in this country. If that's what you chose to do, expect to get called on it.

Holding your breath and stomping your feet is not "fighting".

A crossbow is not a bow and arrow. It's got no business in a season intended for use of bows and arrows.

Your first post ask for just one negative to crossbows? Right here is one over 30 pages long. Crossbow cry babies crying like spoiled little girls and pontificating like they were Nelson Mandela has got to be right up near the top. Dry your tears and get over it.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

My position on classification is all based on the hunt. I would be an idiot to deny the facts you pointed out. It's all true! Again , my point is strictly focused on what takes place during the actual kill.

Speaking of "classification". The city I live in and two neighboring townships consider a bow a firearm.

I've asked the question a couple of times now and have only been answered in sarcastic questions but I'll ask again.
Is there anything wrong with (for states who dont currently allow crossbows) having a seperate crossbow season?
Pro's and con's?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BOWFANATIC - I didn't know you'd hunted with all 3 (I Have) ? If you have, then you fully realize just how difficult recurve/longbow hunting is, how easy compounds are and arguable better hunting weapons than crossbows.

Jack Ryan - calling it like I see it. You could say a CON of a crossbow is that they weight over 10 pounds. Hey, thats not a CON, its just a silly little detail. Much like everything else that you and others have posted.

And yeah, its because I say so. :D

:D

SO in other words, rules should never be changed, even though they were a couple of decades ago to allow YOUR crossbows to be legalized huh ? If you're true to your beliefs then you should hate the fact that compounds were once lobbyed for and allowed in archery season.

I'll tell you what threads like this does. A lot of people read them, see the difference and the similarities and peoples minds change. They've always heard how bad crossbows are, how evil they are - and threads like this point out clearly that they are NONE of those things and its based on factual information.

Why, actually it IS a bow and arrow. The definition of WHAT a bow is ......... hey thats what a crossbow is ! And if you want to be picky - a compound pushes what a bow and arrow is.

Why can't it be like it use to be ? A bow and arrow is a stick and string. No compounds, no crossbows .......... deal ?

Theres no reason to. Allowing them in archery season would have no negative effects. Its like asking for a handgun season, an inline muzzleloading season, a caplock season, a 12 ga shotgun season, a 20 ga shotgun season ......... its grossly unneccesary.

But yeah - lop off 3/4 of the archery season and give it back to the trad hunters. 1/8 of the orig arhcery season could be for crossbows, 1/8 for compounds.

Yeah ........ I'll go with that concept.

Hey - whats wrong with a seperate compound season, right ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Why when you write something is it gospel, but the rest of us post it is considered "silly little details" that don't matter? Dude, have you forgotten that you are the one fighting for the change? Right now ... no matter how hard you want it to be true, the major negative about crossbows is they are illegal during archery season.

What's your new tact all about? Don't you think trying to get a crossbow accepted as legal archery is going to be tough enough? You want to try and split the ranks or archers by dividing them by bow choice? Hey .. did you check out the olympics this past summer? Guess what .. they allow both compounds and traditional bows to compete for archery medals .. they didn't allow crossbows though!!!

You asked for Con's .. and I gave them to you. And the only response you had was that "compounds are bad to"... I have tried to carry on intelligent discussion with you. I have accepted some of your points, and proven others wrong .. but you can't win a forum debate. Whether you admit it or not, there have been a few, not a lot mind you, but a few different negatives brought up against crossbows. You are so steadfast in your opinion that you don't see them, but that is ok. Many here have .. and after all the back and forth debate, you have definitely shown that you can lead a crossbow hunter to water ... but you can't make him drink.

I may think about this thread this fall in Iowa, or NH or Mass or Maine or Ct when I am in a treestand during archery season, and regardless if I bring my recurve or compound I'll smile knowing that crossbow hunters will have to wait their turn to hunt with the firearm guys, where they belong!

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

That has nothing to do with the weapon and like I have also pointed out it's no harder to do with a compound and as data pointed out, trad equipment is the easiest to shoot after dark so that isn't a valid con.

Are there standards in place? I wasn't aware of that. I have seen guys come in and buy compounds the night before season with the intentions of hunting with them the next day, on several occaisions. I don't think they knew about the standards. So again the level of skill is not measured by the choice of weapon but rather by the person yielding that weapon. If that person is capable of making killing shots consistently that's all that really matters. But that gets back into the boys club thing and people thinking you're special doesn't it;)

All weapons are inherently dangerous that's why they are called weapon. If you don't load them until you intend to shoot then they are no more dangerous than anything else. But I would like to see some research that backs up your assertion. Again, I live in a place where it's legal and in a bow only zone and I don't ever know of anyone being hurt by a crossbow.

You guys are the ones being devisive. Crossbow enthusiast are asking to join the club and you guys are the ones saying "no you aren't special like us":eek: Crossbows don't devide people. That's like saying that black people shouldn't have asked for the right to vote because the issue devided people. No, their own stupid predjudice devided them, just like here;)

Well that's purely speculation but let's run the numbers anyway. Let's apply Arkansas numbers to NH. In Arkansas (after 30 years of intergration) approximately 2.7% of the deer killed in the state are killed by crossbows. In NH that would amount to approximately 270 deer. I don't really see that making a difference in your season. But, I thought there wasn't going to be any new hunters added by allowing crossbows???????? So there shouldn't be any more deer killed should there? Aren't people just going to switch one weapon for the other? If what you say is in fact the case then you just made my arguments even stronger that crossbows are a good thing at getting people involved in the sport. In which case it again means your just being greedy and you again would rather benefit yourself than see the sport benefit which will (I can guarantee you) bite you in the ass one day.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Well actually jacko, they are legal where I live and what I am trying to promote is that sometimes being hard headed and closed minded hurts everyone.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Bobo,

I worked in a shop that sold crossbows for a couple of years and I setup no telling how many of them. I bought one for my wife that I shot several times. I have pretty much been around them my whole life. They are simply not as accurate as a compound especially when fired from the standing position which is what I was comparing and if you think they are then I will bet you the title on my Z71 to a box of doughnuts that I will spank you with my compound and you with your crossbow from 40 yards, anytime you want to take the bet.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

First of all jacko, I dont' even hunt with a crossbow. Second of all jacko it is legal here so there is nothing to get over. Third of all jacko you may need to look in the mirror when you talk about a group crying like a little girl. However, it is pretty sad to see how narrow minded, stubborn, and uneducated some of you guys are. You guys making claims to that crossbows are going to do this and they are going to do that and then ignoring the states where they have been introduced is retarded. It's like you claiming to be an expert on big foot though you have never actually seen one. Well guess what. I have seen it. I have lived around it for 30 years and I am telling that you fears are unfounded and irrational.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

It's funny, I've been following this thread for more then a week and yesterday I got an email from a hunter activist who also frequents this site with a heads up that the State of Maine has approved the use of crossbows and are pushing regulations through to have them added to the archery season.

http://www.scruggsreport.com/in_augusta.htm

I'll fight like hell when it comes to the antis but I can't in good conscious fight against fellow hunters. The arguement is that with increased hunters killing more deer the expanded archery season that are in place to control population will no longer be needed. I guess if this passes we will see. I may have to dust this post off after the upcoming season to report back the effects of crossbows in our archery season. I'm very curious to see if this is a big hype about nothing.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I can unequivically guarantee you that it won't have any effect on you. It's a big ado about nothing.