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Roost em 1st 03-29-2005 08:06 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Alrighty I'll bite. I didn't dare even attemp to read the other posts, so if I repeat what has ben said just ignore me...that's what the wife does.

I've got nothing against cross-bows, but feel they need their own season. Same as a person can't use a rifle during ML so should a person not use a x-bow during archery. Wanna split hairs? there should be longbow/selfbow and compound season and there should be in-line and flint lock season. But there isn't. I am not going top cry about it the way some folks do up here in KY where its all about to happen. The release I use is the same one I type with, no matter if its on my compound or selfbow. The whole game has changed in the last 20 years and I am uindecided if it is for the better or the worse. trigger releases and triggers on x-bows are similar. The insane let-off on compounds is close to the non-existant pressure felt when a x-bow is ready to fire.

One negative thing about x-bows:

I'm watching a division amongst hunters over them

and personal negative is that the first story about a poacher I ever heard as a small boy involved a x-bow.

BOWFANATIC 03-29-2005 08:22 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

compounds did not change bowhunting.

you did NOT just say that with a straight face did you ? OMG !!!!!!!!! I really .... don't know how to respond to that. Its like saying the automobile didn't change travel that much !
How would you know? Compound bows started to boom in the 70's and your state has allowed crossbows since the 70's.:eek:


Awe, geeeeez man, I LIVE here - I think I know how crossbows impact my state ! Most slob hunters I run across are compounders - by far.
Yet another shot at compounders.

What happened to our bet? Now you want to get Randy Ulmer?

BOWFANATIC 03-29-2005 08:29 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

According to elk a 3 year old retarded chimpansee can shoot kill deer consistently at 100 yards with the crossbow/wonderweapon
And according to datamax a "1 year old drunken retarded chimpansee" could do it with a compound.

ELKINMTCWB 03-29-2005 08:47 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
I have drawn my bow and shot arrows at deer. I have held that draw for quite a while to do that before, too, and still made an accurate shot. I have missed because of a faulty swinging sight on one occasion, and on others because the deer simply jumped out of the arrow's path. Never has my drawing the bow been a factor in getting a shot at a deer. And crossbows are not any faster-shooting than compound bows, so a deer "jumping the string" is still a very likely scenario.

The abouve statment is wrote for some joker in FL.


Any man that has only missed 2 deer in his hunting time is not much of a bow hunter anyway.I sure do not want a man that would right this speeking for me.

I read his hole article with my wife reading over my sholder.WE laughed our but off. The man the wrote how he liked guns better than a bow. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maby he should just use the gun and never bow hunt :} There is so much crap in his article what a joke.

The wife said if they made it legal to use a crossbow she would stop useing the compound.Her quote[ I could shoot 40 yards eazy with the crossbow, with my compuond I am lucky to shoot 20]. Even my wife could tell there is a big difrance in xbows to any real bows.I think it just comes down to LAZY people wanting to hunt in a more LAZY way.


As I stated befor my uncle could not kill crap till he got his XBOW now this year he killed more deer in 1 year than he killed in his hole life. I think the xbow may have something to do with that.

And for the guy That can not read. NO WHERE DID I EVER SAY YOU COULD KILL A DEER AT 100 YARDS.
SILentassassin name calling is for kids. plz readbefor you run your finger off :}~

Buckmaster9 03-29-2005 08:54 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 


The Energizer Bunny keeps on going and going. I wish I could get a dollar for every post.

If crossbow opponents would essentially post facts rather than make or entail the subsequent I wouldn't need to degrade them:

[ul][*] "cross guns"- which reveals both a lack of knowledge of archery equipment and archery traditions

crossbows are for sluggish hunters

archery season should be restricted to those who "work hard" (as if shooting a compound well enough to acquire hunting accuracy is hard work- it isn't and anyone who shoots a longbow or recurve knows that)

that permitting crossbows will "fill the woods with good-for-nothing, slothful or unsafe hunters"[*] [*]
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ELKINMTCWB 03-29-2005 08:57 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

quote:

datamax plz tell us the real reasion,you are pussing this.

The real reason is I see a highly flawed argument against crossbows and I love to debate highly flawed arguments.
From this you could figger that datamax just talks to talk so no matter what is said he will just raddle on.

ELKINMTCWB 03-29-2005 09:01 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Buckmaster9

you can use a crossbow here in montana allso. For over a mouth.

So fill free to come hunt up here with it.

O I forgot it is in the same time as rifle [AS IT SHOULD BE :}

BOWFANATIC 03-29-2005 09:38 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Did a little search to see if there was someone who could exlain (or put into words) the difference between compounds and crossbows better than myself.

Found this...

When asked what the difference is between a crossbow and a conventional bow, I refer to a report by Norb Mullany a professional engineer who is recognized as the leading authority on the physics of bows and arrows. Anyone who has picked up an archery magazine throughout the years and read Norb's performance reports on archery equipment knows why he's very respected in his field. Mr. Mullany states, "The hand held bow has one characteristic that distinguishes it from a crossbow or any type of firearm. The internal ballistics are a function of the shooter, his or her physical geometry and capabilities, shooting form, consistency and reaction to stress and trauma. In the crossbow and firearms, the internal ballistics are fixed. The action of the shooter in triggering a release of energy does nothing more than initiate a process that is consistent and repetitive. The hand held bow is different. Every action of the shooter contributes something either positive or negative to the interior ballistic process. As the interior ballistics vary, so do the exterior ballistics. Shooting the hand held bow and arrow is much more complicated than aiming a fixed system of ballistics and touching off the energy discharge. The total energy to draw, hold and release the bow must come directly and unassisted from the shooters muscle power".

Buckmaster9 03-29-2005 10:00 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
It flabbergasts me the attempt these guys are making to differentiate their modern compound from the crossbow as far as level of difficulty in mastering it and then they just gloss over the huge distinction between their weapon and the traditional bow which most archery seasons (length and so forth) were based upon. The reason bow seasons were tolerable in first place before the gun seasons and the amount of time the archer had to hunt was based first and foremost upon the aspect that traditional bows were a ***** to learn and master. Not true today. I am still waiting for you anti-crossbow hunters to tell us why those dissimilarities matter if the expected harvest rates, range, accuracy and rate of fire are the same or worse for crossbows and the learning curve is so close compare to that of a recurve so as not to statistically matter. Those who try to make differences are the compound guys due to selfishness, not reason.

kodiak41226 03-29-2005 10:01 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Found this...
Amen


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