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It most certainly IS. Why ? You see crossbows as easier, as not-bows .......... why ? Because you shoot, in your opinion, a bow that is tough to master, challenging, fun to shoot ........... and a crossbow isn't anything like what you shoot. So you snub your nose at "different" because hey, its easier to shoot in your opinion and why should other guys be able to enjoy YOUR archery season without putting in the time and effort to master the same bow you use.

Thats VERY on the nose to how compounders feel about crossbows. Yet not for one moment do they think about how a recurve/longbow shooter views THEM.

I look at your fancy high teck, 30" ATA bow, drop away rest, fiber sights that glow at night, carbons tipped with mechanical heads, drawn, not with your fingers, but with your arms/shoulders, holding a mere 15% of the total weight for a very long time, shooting 300 fps, flat and quiet, using a triggered release , cams and pulleys, sights ........... are you frickin serious ? I can pick that bow up and shoot it incrediibly well within 10 mintues. I did it last fall as a matter of fact.

So I can easily look at you and say hey, you know what ? Drop the training wheels, leave the triggers and sights and letoff behind and if you want to be a real archer, learn to dedicate enough time to mastering the recurve/longbow. Go with cedars and broadheads you have to file sharpen yourself - EARN the right to call yourself a bowhunter.

See how easy that is ? I can do to you - what you do to crossbow bowhunters.

But other than making a point, I don't. I DO NOT CARE what kind of bow you shoot. I DO think that archery has lost something, however archery season is still 4 1/2 months with liberal bag limits ........ i can't bitch one bit about whats legal in the state of Arkansas, and thats crossbows, compounds, longbows and recurves.

Can I ?

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Boy I tell ya......BOWFANATIC you better not give me grief again when I say NOBODY READS MY POSTS!!

For about the 5th time..... I live in lllinois, I hunt with a compound bow. If given the choice I would STILL hunt with my compound bow. I happen to LOVE all of the gismos that are available to me for them because they give me a better chance to kill deer. I also hunt with a slug shotgun, pistol and rifle. I have hunted pretty much everything there is to hunt in the lower 48 states.

I am 40 years old and used to play offensive line in the NFL (just thought I'd through that in there;))

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I think we can run this thing out to a thousand posts;) But my feelings are kind of being hurt. How come you guys keep ignoring me? Do you guys not like me anymore:(

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Heck I don't blame you that's quite an accomplishment, I would looking for a way to get that into the conversation myself;):D

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NO WAY!!

Like I said, I started out with a long bow and then a recurve........sorry but too hard and I just don't have the time needed to become good enough to hunt with it. I like to shoot them and still do, but only for fun. No I will keep my compound bow. It has served me well and I happen to like all of the bells and whistles that they come with.

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Like I said, I started out with a long bow and then a recurve........sorry but too hard and I just don't have the time needed to become good enough to hunt with it. I like to shoot them and still do, but only for fun. No I will keep my crossbow. It has served me well and I happen to like all of the bells and whistles that they come with.


why isn't that a valid reason to allow crossbows ?

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[quote]ORIGINAL: datamax

Well, thing is, people in states WITH crossbows have magically discovered their legality doesn't effect their deer hunting at all. And no one at the state capital cares - its the G&F heaquarters that might

Dang, I go work for a couple of hours and you guys have three more pages!

Datamax,

If you think that no one in the state capital will get involved with wildlife issues, look to a couple of months ago when the Arkansas Legistlature sent a non-binding resolution to the AGFC stating that they shouldn't do anything to limit or outlaw hunting deer with dogs. If you think this thread is long and heated, you should have seen the one on the Arkansas Hunting forum about that. The only thing that everyone on that thread agreed on was that it was dangerous for politicians to start telling AGFC what to do. I don't know how you and silentassassin feel about dog hunting, but the dog hunters have a strong lobby. I hope we don't have the same issues in the future with the crossbow vs other bows non-issue.

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Sorry about that; I had a brain fart on the quote text.[:@]

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Ok then......Explain to me why you haven't posted a pic of a buck kill in a LONG time[8D]

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Thanks Silent,

I'm paying the price now, with all of the pain in my joints and all of the surgeries I have been through. But it did allow me to travel and be able to hunt as much as I have. I have alot of great memories and met (played with and against) lots of great people.

One of these days I will tell the story of how a rookie o-linemen for Denver made his NFL debut and got his ass kicked by an all pro named Howie Long:D I can still feel the pain!

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BigJ12, I'm sure I read it, but the brain gets weak after 89 pages!!!:D

BTW, just how big of a feller are ya?;)

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Because little Johnny doesn't deserve to be out in the woods unless he has proved his manhood by shooting a compound or trad bow and he doesn't deserve to have the advatage of not having to draw over the seasoned bowhunters with 10+ years experience. If little Johnny were to be able to shoot a crossbow he would be magically transformed and be able to kill more and bigger deer than the seasoned bowhunters would and that just wouldn't be fair to them[:-]:eek::([:'(][&:][8D];)

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I feel if one of them comes across my property I'll shoot the SOB :D

BigJ12 - thats cool, being in the NFL. Do you keep up with the NFL still ? Do you think Matt Jones will go in the 1st round of the Draft ?

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I guess I lost my mojo.:( I killed a pretty decent one in the 03-04 season but I went buckless this year waiting on daddy rabbit. I will probably do the same next year unless I get a shot at something 140 or above.

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You 3 are something... you have won 1 person over, and strengthened the anti-crossbow resolve of dozens.

I guess you all have explained why you "feel" they should be allowed. Of course that and 89 pages of posts still gets a big fat fine for using one.

Guys, the argument is fundamentally flawed. You can't fight (and win) the trend of tightening restrictions on compounds AND get crossbows into archery season. They are not allowed now, for lots of very good reasons, and while you have filled many pages with why crossbows are like compounds, you haven't yet magicly transformed it into one.. so it leaves you where you started basicly.


Not snub our nose at them, or think they are bad or evil .. just laugh at them for trying to pretend to be something they are not. At best they are bow-like, but they aren't the same .. so they get lumped outside with the rest of the non-archery gear.

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Big,

To answer your question I am not a big fan of dog hunting but it's kind of like the crossbow hunting issue. While I have my own personal reservations about it, I am not going to go trying to force my personal views on others and I am certainly not going to lobby against other hunters. Just because my view of what hunting is and what their view of what hunting is doesn't make me right and them wrong. So in essence I support their right to dog hunt though I do find it to be a pain in the @SS.

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Silent, I actually had a tear well up on that one..........:(;)

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I knew you would appreciate that one. I almost laughed out loud while I was typing it thinking what your reaction would be:D

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I heard that brother!!

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Silent.. you are just a bitter man. LITTLE JOHNNY DESERVES TO BE IN THE WOODS, just not during archery season shooting that crossbow! Because Little Johnny should learn that there are rules and laws that govern hunting .. and he must wait till the proper season to use a specific weapon. So when Little Johhnny sees that big buck at 100 yards opening morning, and asks his Dad can he bring the rifle tomorrow to get him.. .Dad needs to sit little Johnny down and explain how it works.

Oh yeah... BigJ, what team did you play for?

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What, no responses. NO justification as to why others should not be allowed to enjoy "bow" hunting with a disability?

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I agree 100%

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Burnie, go back, I responded several pages ago


quote:

I thought it went without saying that the guy that can no longer use a bow should be able to hunt with an xbow during archery season. That is already legal in most states, including mine.

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Isn't he the same prick who kept raising his hand in school? :D

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No.. he's the kid Suzy Rotten Crotch goes with.....

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the seeds of reason have been planted and after all, 90 pages and I still haven't seen a single negative to allowing crossbows

ok, time top stop lying. I mean, really - there ARE NO GOOD REASONS to not allow crossbows. None. nada. zip. they don't exist

At best, compounds, they are bow-like, but they aren't the same .. so they get lumped outside with the rest of the non-archery gear.

Can that not be said and have some truth to it ? After all, compounds are nothing really like recurve/longbows at all, are they ? They aren't drawn the same, they don't have the same way to generate the energy to propel the arrow, one has high let off, the other no letoff, compounds have sights, multiple cables, cams/pulleys - they are bowlike but NOT bows !

WE agree on that - right ?

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Well actually two. I think we recruited adams into the ranks while we were at it. But anyway you slice it that's two more than we had before we started and if they convince two a piece and they convince two a piece then we may just have a regular "Pay it Forward" on our hands;)

I agree your argument is fundemenatlly flawed but you fought the good fight anyway:eek:

You certainly can't if you don't fight it;) But i don't want to tightened the restrictions on compounds I just want some other folks to have a chance to be in the woods during archery season;)

I must have missed the reasons and apparently you must have missed the reasons that I listed why they should be allowed. But I don't think you did you just chose to ignore them. But I am not trying to transform them anyway. i agree there is a difference in the way shoot them but ultimately it's insignificant and there performance is nearly identical to that of a compound so for no more difference than there is and since you already told us very few people want to shoot them so that eliminates the worry of you loosing any time from your season I don't see why I should want to keep little johnny out of the woods.

That's right you set little Johnny straight on what it means to be a man:eek:

A pistol is not the same as a rifle either but they are typically allowed in the same season so I guess I missed the point.

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I am bitter because I want other people to get a chance to enjoy the archery season. I guess I failed to see the logic behind that one:eek:

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Data,

I think there are many people who think the same way I do....I just don't have a problem telling it like it is. I don't see a crossbow and anything other than another option when it comes to string fired weapons. To me that is what bows are I have said before and I will say it again a crossbow by it's very definition is a form of a bow. Different than a compound...yes but I still contend that it is no stranger than a crossbow is to a long bow.

If you bring to light the differences in one comparison why can't the differences be brought to light in the other?

I know they are differet but I contend they are both BIG differences in there own right and the one side should not be dismissed simply because they are different.

I say this because I think some of you are doing just that. If fact you have to, because to agree that the differences between compounds and long bows is just as great as the differences between compounds and crossbows albeit different shows hypocrisy.

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Nah that was his cousin. Johnny is a pretty good kid:D

Tell Suzy the board says HI the next time you see her and don't be haten on Johnny becasue he took your woman[:-];)

Sorry couldn't resist:D

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So what about the other 98% of traditional shooters who would also be opposed to xbows in archery season? What will you say when you lose you "hypocrisy" argument?

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Data you wouldn't see a negative reason if it fell from the sky and landed on your face, then wiggled. And please .. the compound to crossbow argument is HORRIBLE.. it's not valid. You are arguing the similarities in diffeent weapons, like ML's and shotguns .. without seein gthat they are different.

Well .. someone has to Silent, because in your neighborhood he'd be A gangbanging druggy, probably with knife wounds and a few bullets holes ... all of course because guys like me won't let shoot a crossbow during archery season.

You are right, the firearm season. But you can't use the rifle or pistol during muzzleloader season .. and they are similar, right? Oh yeah .. ALL states have broken their seasons down by weapon types .....

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No one is advocating that someone should break the law. I am advocating that you guys reconsider and give little Johnny the right to hunt during the archery season. I fail to see why little Johnny shold have to wait and I fail to see why you or anyone else for that matter should have more rights to the woods than little Johnny and most importantly I fail to see why anyone that is truely a hunter would want to institute regulations that wold keep people form entering the sport of bowhunting considering hunters in general lost about 2 million members in the last 10 years.
i agree with that 100% though I don't see how it has any bearing on this conversation.

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That's why we need to give little Johnny a chance to get in the woods and off the street. You act like it's my fault that we have those problems in America. I am trying to give our youths something to do to help fix the problems. What are you doing? I mean besides standing in their way of a safe recreational alternative?

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I'm 6'4" 325lbs I have a 82in wingspand (they like long arms on the o-line) I shoot a 33in draw Browning boss tracker. (fantastic bow btw)

I used to bench press well over 530lbs (no steroids) I'm just a big pasta eating Italian. :D

Alas, I'm getting older and things tend to hurt more and more. I still lift every day but I have learned to put my ego aside and lower the weight. Sucks getting old.

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BigJ, that is absolutely not true. You CAN agree there are differneces between traditional and compund bows, and then accept there are differences between compounds and crossbows and they may be equally great. But drawing the conclusion from that then ALL bows are equal to crossbows is crazy.

If A = Traditional
and B = Compound

Then A-B=X

So B= Compound
and C= Crossbow

Then B-C = Y

X does not equal Y!!! Because you compare a compund and a crossbow doesn't make it a bow.

Your check book must be a messy thing....


After reading your last post... I meant MR.BigJ....

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You can use a muzzloader in our regular gun season or our shotgun season but in all actuality when they came up with the seperate seasons for muzzloaders there was a tremendous difference in their range and performance to that of modern firearms and that's why the distinction was made. Now that muzzloading as we know it has transofrmed to what it has there is no longer the need for the two seperate seasons. The transofrmation of muzzloaders kind of reminds you of the transformation of the compound over the years doesn't it;)

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I agree 100% with you. The ML to firearm debate is exactly the same in my opinion. Their range and effectiveness are almost identical. I of course like the seperate seasons .. I imagine you'd want rifle and pistol shooters be able to hunt the ML season .. or just combine the seasons.

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I actually think they should combine the seasons . There is nothing primative about muzzloaders anymore so why not lump them in with firearms since they have similar performance. I am fine with giving crossbows their own season. I just think the time shold be taken from the archery season and split down the middle and rotated so everyone gets a shot at the rut. Ultimately that would be stupid but if the compounders and trad hunters insist on seperate seasons then that's the way it should because they don't have anymore rights than the crossbowers IMO.