please tell me just one negative to crossbows
#141
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
ill take that 1000 dollar bet majay on the flashlight trick in hand. i perfected that in my backyard last summer when practicing i want another bow bad and dont feel like chunking out the cash so im desperate. im wanting a speed bow to tinker with. Any suggestions?
#142
Nontypical Buck
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
If you honestly believe an archer can shoot with accuracy after legal shooting light, I have to question the validity of your statements concerning your archery prowess. Not saying it can't be done under perfect conditions .. but it's not regularly or under normal conditions. While that crossbow you love, coupled with that flashlight in your pocket can shoot accurately with a full moon or no moon EVERY night. I'll bet 1000 dollars you can't hold a flashlight in either of your hands and shoot any bow, traditional or compound and hit the bulls eye at 20 yards. But any Joe Blow can do it with a crossbow......
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
MA Jay - I argued AGAINST crossbows for awhile until I was challenged to prove WHY. When I failed, I had to ask myself if I was going to continue be hard headed and believe something that was unfounded or try and understand WHY I was wrong.
A trad bow is archery the way its been for a very long time. A compound is a high tech bow using a vastly different way of achieving putting an arrow into flight - and most often is revolves around EASIER and BETTER. A crossbow ? It too is high techy anymore, and it too makes bowhunting easier. But its not unlike the compound. Both compound and crossbow are VERY much unlike a recurve/longbow.
Question away, trad shooters Know what I'm talking about.
How about this - pitch dark, you can see nothing but a lit candle at 20 yards.
Can you shoot that candle ? I can - actually pretty well. Like I said, if I can see the target, I can shoot it - at night a recurve would be the ultimate poaching bow !
A trad bow is archery the way its been for a very long time. A compound is a high tech bow using a vastly different way of achieving putting an arrow into flight - and most often is revolves around EASIER and BETTER. A crossbow ? It too is high techy anymore, and it too makes bowhunting easier. But its not unlike the compound. Both compound and crossbow are VERY much unlike a recurve/longbow.
If you honestly believe an archer can shoot with accuracy after legal shooting light, I have to question the validity of your statements concerning your archery prowess.
How about this - pitch dark, you can see nothing but a lit candle at 20 yards.
Can you shoot that candle ? I can - actually pretty well. Like I said, if I can see the target, I can shoot it - at night a recurve would be the ultimate poaching bow !
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
silentassassin - you'd think so, wouldn't you ? They are the ultimate poachers weapon - silent, deadly, easy to hide ...... and they don't require sights ! We really need to ban together and prevent these from being in legal archery season because someone might use one to poach a deer with 9as likely as using a gun, a compound, a crossbow or whatever I imagine)
#146
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
If I hadn't been very actively involved in the progression of compound archery in the past 10-12 years I'd be more inclined to believe you. Man, theres NOTHING really comparable at all to an old PSE Precision Edge from the late 80's, 60% letoff, a TM Hunter rest and steel pins compared to a 2005 Outback, 85% letoff, machined riser, light, short, FAST, easy to shoot, fiber optics, drop away rests .......... they aren't nowhere CLOSE.
We all know why deer hunting has become so popular though in the last few years.......the promoting of big antlers, the progression of more access to hunting videos and tv outdoor channels, and the big $$$$$.
Now if you want to put crossbows into their own season or firearms season then fine.....I see nothing wrong with that. But a crossbow has no place in regular archery seasons.
#147
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Guys, I am not saying a crossbow is bad or evil or that they take over people's minds and make them poach.
I also don't blame the crossbow ... it is a person that broke the law
In fact I do believe they do have their place in the woods, we just differ on the "when" part.
I am not advocating against crossbows! You asked for one negative to crossbows .. and I gave it you!!!! I made valid points, backed them up with facts and articles from state agencies on their use as a poaching weapon, as well as my own experience in their ease of use to shoot from a stand with a flashlight. I didn't claim that a bow couldn't also be abused or a gun isn't used in crimes .. but for some reason you can't accept the one simple point that a crossbow allows the average hunter, without practice or special gear to shoot deer beyond legal hunting time with just a flashlight. The average bow hunter can not do that, even though it sounds like you guys can.
If you take your passion out of it, it's simple logic... and I don't claim that it takes the responsibility out of the hands of the hunter, I just claim that it puts the average hunter in a position to break the law easily without fear of getting caught .. and it is my opinion that is not necessarily a good thing.
#148
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
but for some reason you can't accept the one simple point that a crossbow allows the average hunter, without practice or special gear to shoot deer beyond legal hunting time with just a flashligh
If you take your passion out of it, it's simple logic... and I don't claim that it takes the responsibility out of the hands of the hunter, I just claim that it puts the average hunter in a position to break the law easily without fear of getting caught .. and it is my opinion that is not necessarily a good thing.
#149
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
You truly think there are no slobs shooting compounds ? You really think guys don't pick them up a few days before season, dust them off and go hunting ? Does that make compounds the enemy too ?
HuntingBry - i have a very solid argument on crossbows. I do not cower down when i see an argument that is hugely flawed and I'm telling you , shooting a tricked out compound capable of 75 yard groups, 85% letoff draw, horizonal limb technology, triggered releases and all - it aint that much different at all from a crossbow. Fact is, Arkansas and several other state have had crossbows a LONG time and never a single bad thing come from it.
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
your PSE Edge was much higher advanced
Data, seriously the scores shot today by the pros are not any better than years ago
So why are guys buying all the new bows and raving about how great they are if like you say - they're no more better than a precision edge ? Something don't add up Cougar ........ I think you know that.
We all know why deer hunting has become so popular though in the last few years.......the promoting of big antlers, the progression of more access to hunting videos and tv outdoor channels, and the big $$$$$.
But a crossbow has no place in regular archery seasons.
You asked for one negative to crossbows .. and I gave it you!!!!