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BigJ71 04-08-2005 02:23 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

quote:

WHAT IS A CROSSBOW?

A weapon for discharging quarrels and stones that consist chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock. An archery weapon consisting of a lath mounted to a rigid stock, having a mechanical means to hold and release the drawn bowstring.

HOW A CROSSBOW WORKS

A crossbow works just like the simple bow and arrow. In order to know how a crossbow work, we need to understand how a simple bow and arrow woks.

The bow or lath is made up of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends (string) and holding the strip bent when the bow is strung. When the string is pulled the bow bends further storing up motive energy. The energy is store as long as the string is still pulled. An arrow or bolt (slender shaft of wood) is set with one end on the pulled string. When the pulled string is released, the stored up motive energy is transformed into projectile energy which projects the arrow forward towards the target. This is mainly because of the elasticity of the material of the bow and its ability to store up energy.

The crossbow is a modified version of bow and arrow. It has various components. The crossbow is loaded by standing or putting a foot on the stirrup and pulling the string back by hand or with the help of various kinds of instruments (Wippe, Goats foot or Gaffle, Windlass or Cranequin system).When the string is set behind or locked by a latch, a bolt is set or put on the track (a groove or path on the stock made for it). After having set the bolt and removed the levers used to pull the string, you can take aim and press on the trigger (lever or pistol type) which releases the latch and the string which projects or shoots the bolt.






Who's point are you making?!! LOL

Mine!

For the last time I never said a crossbow is exactly like any other bow Christ, READ MY POSTS. It's a FORM of a BOW!

thesource 04-08-2005 02:24 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
Gotta love it BigJ. I live in NY, and OUR definition is as follows: (from the 2004 Hunting and trapping syllabus)

Bow - Includes long (stick), compound, or recurve bow

That's MY legal definition....and you walked right into it.:D

thesource 04-08-2005 02:36 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ORIGINAL: BigJ12

For the last time I never said a crossbow is exactly like any other bow Christ READ MY POSTS. It's a FORM of a BOW!

Here's a quote DIRECTLY from one of your posts!!!!


So everything is the EXACT SAME THING except a crossbow has a stock and keeps the string cocked, but it's like some kind of "leap of faith" for some of you to see that. Sorry but my six year old can see that they are the same.


Yea, Yea - I know. "I said except and I said and"....

You're busted.

datamax 04-08-2005 02:37 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 


You guys calling crossbows non-bows probably call this animal a dog. I mean, sure, the definition of this animal clearly shows that it is a cat, but dammit you've been told all your lives to call it a dog and you'll not be told wrong !


LOL - a crossbow is a bow, like it or not. Two working limbs and a string to propel an arrow.

BTW - a crossbow bolt IS an arrow (I love guys arguing that too !)

Double Creek 04-08-2005 02:39 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Well the dictionary isn't opinion is it?

Yes, try this.......

Tyrannosaurus rex

n : large carnivorous bipedal dinosaur having enormous teeth with knifelike serrations; may have been a scavenger rather than an active predator; later Cretaceous period in North America

Cretaceous period

n : from 135 million to 63 million years ago;


Now, would you say that is FACT OR OPINION OR THEORY?

BigJ71 04-08-2005 02:40 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BigJ - if you are an ex-NFLer, then you are a college grad.
Yep and from the largest private division one school. Brigham Youg University. I was there and played with the likes of Steve Young Robbie Bosco all the way to TY Detmier. We won the NCAA national championship in 1984. (I have the hardware to prove it) I was an all american, all conference and captain. Played in the hula bowl. I was also won the conference scholastic achievement award. While I am not a Mormon (I'm Catholic) I love that school and everything it is about (very conserative)

And I agree you can move past simple definitions and explore into them however you can't change the definition.

Double Creek 04-08-2005 02:42 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 
I don't want to get into a big argument about the age of the earth, but my point was, the f'ing dictionary isn't the means to all ends.

BigJ71 04-08-2005 02:44 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Tyrannosaurus rex

n : large carnivorous bipedal dinosaur having enormous teeth with knifelike serrations; may have been a scavenger rather than an active predator; later Cretaceous period in North America

Cretaceous period

n : from 135 million to 63 million years ago;


Now, would you say that is FACT OR OPINION OR THEORY?

FACT!......carbon dating.........This is too easy!

MA Jay 04-08-2005 02:49 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Legal definition.
BigJ, why do you think your dictionary makes for the legal definiton of archery and what a bow? What about these dictinary's?

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary-

Main Entry: cross·bow
Pronunciation: -"bO
Function: noun
: a weapon for discharging quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock
This crossbow definition calls a crossbow a "weapon" that consists of a short bow mounted on a stock. Now I know you are smart, if the dictionary said a crossbow was actually a "bow" it would say that, but it doesn't it calls it a "weapon" it's own weapon that is made with a bow and stock and other parts. In fact that is what the crossbow definition is ... a description of the actual weapon, and no where does it call it a bow.

From the Webster-Merriam dictionary again

Main Entry: 3bow
Pronunciation: 'bO
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bowe, from Old English boga; akin to Old English bugan
1 a : something bent into a simple curve b : RAINBOW
2 : a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow
3 : ARCHER
and Archer's definiton

Main Entry: ar·cher
Pronunciation: 'är-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin arcarius, alteration of arcuarius, from arcuarius of a bow, from Latin arcus bow -- more at ARROW
1 : a person who uses a bow and arrow
Now I read that definiton of what a bow is and what an archer is .. and no where does it mention crossbows. It doesn't say a strip of flexible material with a cord connecting 2 ends used to propel arrows AND is mounted on a stock AND fires quarrels and stones. It's now there.... please read it.

Now I also don't believe a dictionary defines anything "legally". State. Local and Federal law do that. We've discussed at length their definitons, and how crossbows are not legally defined as bows.

BigJ71 04-08-2005 02:51 PM

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Yea, Yea - I know. "I said except and I said and"....
You already answered it for me.

You do realize that it's a form of communication. You know there are certin words in the english language that you can use to explain that there are differences in items. Such as ........the word "except" or the word........"and"


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