RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BigJ12 , All did was make a statement. And like I am going to read 99 pages of posts to make a 2 1/2 line statement.

" Just because crossbows are allowed in the archery season does not mean poaching will be on the rampage."

You said this I did'nt . Maybe you should accually read my post. I have never seen such rude people.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Ya'll SOB's are something:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BigJ12 , All I did was make a statement. And right, I am going to read 99 pages of posts to a type 2 1/2 line statement.

"Just because crossbows are allowed in the archery season does not mean poaching will be on the rampage"

You said this not me! Maybe you should read my post before you write your garbage. I have never seen such rude people.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ELKINMTCWB - you got the internet, right ? Look the numbers up yourself !


All the compounders would get 10000000000 times the reward if they'd learn to shoot a real bow.

I believe you believe that - but its an unfounded fear. How ? Geeeeeez man, look at Arkansas and Ohio. We're not overrun with degenerates shooting crossbows. In fact, I'd hazard theres more worthless rifle huntersa and compound hunters than crossbow hunters. Your fear is just that - a fear. Its not real.

As for your uncle -- you did say he was an ass and if he shot a compound he'd still be an ass, wouldn't he ? The weapon doesn't make the ethics of a man

I have said exactly that - dozens of time. Seems no one wants to call me on my "elitist" views though ???


I know someone who does that with a compound, and his sister's friend's wife's husband does too. Lets ban compounds

I'm telling you - and I've hunted with crossbows, longbows and compounds, theres a VAST difference in drawing on game with a recurve/longbow compared to a compound. VAST - VAST. Its a totally new ballgame that is equivalent to comparisons between crossbows and compounds.

Its true and until you're gone trad and hunted trad and realized it ? You don't have any idea how difficult it really is.

And because of that, I can stand on a pillar - just like you - and bash compound just like you are bashing the ease of use of the crossbow.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

You could not be further from the truth.

Your sentance SHOULD have said " The bottom line is crossbows are not USED in the same manner as compounds, recurves and longbows and that is the separating difference"

Now, I AGREE that crossbows are USED differently but they are HUNTED with the same! Tell me how they are HUNTED with differently?

No it is not silly and if you could for one SECOND forget that crossbows even exist you will see what I'm getting at! I'm trying to prove that there is an elitist attitude by some of you when it comes to "YOUR" choice of bows and NOTHING can be said bad about them or heaven forbid someone may just point out the FACT that compound bows are SOO different from long bows that long bow shooters HAVE THE RIGHT to tell YOU that YOU are NOT a bow hunter either.

In other words "some of you compound bow shooters need to get off of your high horse" and realize yours is not the only type of bow out there and it's CERTAINLY not what the original BOW HUNTERS had in mind when they started the bow hunting movement many years ago.

Where would YOU be now if everybody took your position back when compounds were introduced?

Hey I shoot an love my compound bow but I'll be damned if I think for one second it's not very and I mean VERY different from long bows. While the differences are not the SAME between the two, compound to long vs compound to crossbow, they EACH still have many many BIG differences

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Well maybe you should have. This way you would not have posted what you did.

You implied it. If not, then just what did you want to translate with your post? That people can shoot out of a window from a moving vehicle? Thanks for the tip:eek:

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

It is a thrill, but once you learn your bow the way you should, there is no real difference. I can draw my recurves more quietly and quicker than I can a compounds. Where as my compounds are harder to get a full draw, due to hitting the breaking point, but is easier to hold. I use them all, except a long bow. I find enjoyment in all of them as well as guns and knives. If you really want a thrill, you need to go hog hunting with nothing but a knife. That is the biggest rush I have ever had.


We need some theme music or something for this never ending thread.:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I have said exactly that - dozens of time. Seems no one wants to call me on my "elitist" views though ???
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I will call you on your elitist views.

You ARE an elitist - and a hypocrite. You rail against compounds, but you use them. And you advocate crossbows - most likely because you just hurt shoulder and can no longer use either your precious traditional or hated compound bow.

I'll put your panties in a twist, data. I have a 45# Martin recurve that I added a stick on flipper rest, put a stip of duct tape on the riser so I could stick in a finishing nail as a 20yd pin, and I even use a (shudder) release aid to shoot it. I'm a traditionalist, what can I say? (It is a recurve, right?) By the way, it shoots great!!!

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Happy Anniversary! Happy Anniversary! Happy Anniversary!

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!

100 pages!!!!! woo hooo!!

Whos hosting the party?:D



Crossbow guys...the anti crossbow people have made some good points. I just want to touch upon them again, because I wonder if they have valid concerns.

One of the concerns I saw was poaching. Now I fully understand that its the person and the poor attitude that causes someone to be a poacher...BUT....certain weapons lend themselves to poaching. Enabling people to poach "easier" if you will. I would think a crossbow would be one of those weapons. Silent, easy to fire from a truck or car window, etc. Now I dont want to say ban them all, because, as mentioned, I really dont want to prevent people from pursuing this wonderful sport. But....in a way, they are bad because they are a silent weapon that can aid in poaching. Does anyone agree?

Of course silenced pistols would be another weapon to aid in poaching game, but I think they would be harder to get your hands on. Im not sure though....Im not into guns, so I dont know much about them. I guess each state would have different laws pertaining to handguns and silenced weapons. Maybe someone else can speak more knowledgeably on that topic.

Like I said, I understand its not the weapon. Even if you banned crossbows, there would still be people figuring out a way to poach. But I think it would be harder for them to do so. Right?

Also, someone mentioned the number of hunters increasing causing the seasons to be shortened. I understand that many of the hunters would be "crossover" hunters, and the answer was that they would use up their tag. So the harvest would remain the same. That works.....but not in all states. My state has separate tags for firearm, bow, muzzleloader....I know, I hate that too.....too many dang tags per person if you ask me. But introducing a crossbow, and allowing more hunters may infact shorten some states archery seasons. Right? I would think so. Though I doubt they could honestly effect the season that much.

But then again, that contradicts what was said about introducing more hunters to the sport. If it isnt going to bring enough people into the sport to impact the harvest or the seasons, is it worth bringing it in, and upsetting all the hunters who already hunt with the currently legal bow equipment?
Sad to say, but there are probably bowhunters who would quit, JUST because of the crossbow introduction. Maybe not a lot, but there might be a few. You know, the hard-headed guys who would boycott the season because of their unhappiness with the new "unfair" weapon. This may raise, lower, or keep bowhunting numbers about where they are at. Hard to say. Hasn't been introduced everywhere, so....you cant know for sure until its in your own woods. Right?

Thats why I think the states interested in crossbow hunting during archery season should survey the three states with it already in place. Numbers, solid factual numbers, thats what the states need. Then each state needs to take a look at the way in which the xbow states seasons are arranged. Compare that to the way they arrange their seasons, and see if the effects would be the same or close. Im sure in most cases they would be.

A trial period would be neat for research purposes too, but it would probably upset too many people. Either way, I mean if you introduce it some people are gonna flip cause its there, and then if you take it away, others are gonna flip cause its gone.

I think if the states want to introduce it, they have to do as I said above, look into it, and from all aspects. Who it helps, who may be effected by it. Might it shorten seasons...Might it introduce too many people, too few, etc.....

You cant just throw it in the mix. But I think it would be beneficial if we could alter the laws to include; youngsters, seniors and females who may not be able to draw a legal weight bow. Handicapped people go without saying. They are already legal everywhere I know of. Is there anywhere that doesnt allow handicapped people to use xbows? Regardless....

I can see both sides here. I guess Im still on the fence....I just need a good push either way!:D I hope its not a high fence, cause I hate heights....dont look down....DONT LOOK DOWN!!!!hahahahah

100 pages..still not a record though boys....go over to Archery talk....they have one thats even longer...I cant remember how many, but I think they are going for a world record or something. Im not really sure, I never asked, but its a thread of funny pics and stuff....

---Matt:)

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

If you've never hunted with a recurve - you don't have a clue how hard it is.

If you've never hunted with a crossbow, you don't know how that is either.

I've hunted with all 3 - compounds give me by far the best chance to fill a tag. Crossbows come in next, recurves last. I have much more fun with my recurve/longbow though.

Compounds are faster, more accurate, easier to adjust when you're in the stand to deer coming in etc, quieter, lighter - they are THE BEST ARHCERY HUNTING WEAPONS out there - bar none.

Now, you can shake your head (even though you use one) and banter and gee and haw and stomp your foot all you want to boys - I've shot them all, so has silent - we kinds know what we're talking about here whereas all ya'll are doing is pretending you know something that in reality is just a bunch of unfounded, regurgetated P&Y rhetoric and fears.

:D