RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Data I have a question for you. What makes the compound so much different than any other bow? I am talking the use of it in a hunting situation, that is what we are talking about here. All are used in the same manor when game is present. Unlike a shoulder fired weapon. When I was Based in England we shot allot of Tournaments, you can't kill the damn Queens deer with a bow. When I came back to America I had and shot a English long bow that a local bower made, My bear Kodiak Magnum recurve, and a localy made American flat bow, I also shot my Compounds. All these are considered bows because, when used to propel the projectile it was done useing the same required motion, pulling the string back and maintaining the required pressure to hold it back. The crossbow is considered a shouldered fired weapon, do you agree? That is why you are getting the responses against them. It's not because we hate them,I have shot crossbows as well, there just considered a shoulder fired weapon unlike a bow, which in the eyes of bowhunters, that is the next step that makes them to much like a gun to be in the woods during bowhunting. All your other fact or opinions I agree with.

Please don't think because the above states you listed welcomed crossbows that most hunters did, here in GA there is a board that makes up our rules and regulation. If any Joe blow out there has an Idea, the board will make the ultimate verdict on what will happen. The last meeting I whent to was in Jan 05 more than 60% of that commitee was Biolgist. When crossbows were put up for voting there biggest concern was deer population control not where the weapon belongs. They knew that if they put a crossbow in gun season it would not attract as many hunters as it would in Bowseason, so hear we are with crossbows. I can't speak for evey state out there, but I do sit in on the rule meetings here. There open to the public. I don't want a debate It just seems like you are adding GA to your equation when it does not benifit your argument. Have a good one

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

No that's what your are talking about here becasue it's the only thing you have to hang your hat on. But in data's abscence I'll take a crack at it. It's shoot an arrow. It has identical tracetory. It has identical range. It has identical KE and or killing power. You still have to judge yardage like you would with any other bow. The only difference is instead or drawing you just have to raise the bow up. There's still movement involved but your not holding any weight. of course it would be OK if the let-off was 99% as long as it's on a compound:eek:[&:]

I am sure not all hunters were happy becasue most hunters have the wrong attitude and don't have the best interest of the sport at heart. But like you just alluded to, crossbows bring people into the season. So whether your own personal feelings were hurt or not, You have benefitted by the growing number of archers in your state. But then again alot of this has to do with greed so that' not going to be a very good reason for some of you. Also break down those that are happy and unhappy. A guy that thinks he is the greatest and crossbows shouldn't be allowed probably wasn't all that happy. But a woman that loved to hunt and hunted with her husband every gun season yet was unable to shoot a bow that will now be able to hunt with her husband during archery season, was probably pretty stoked. But then again to hell with her cause some of you guys don't need/want the competition.;)

So who gets to decide where they belong then? You? By your resoning since compounds were originally put there by biologists then they don't really belong there nor do they meet the criteria of a bow. Afterall that was what some of you used as a qualification for what a bow is, since the state DNR's say they are bows then they are bows? I don't care which way you guys go as long as you pick one and stick with it? Do the DNR's get to determine what is or isn't a bow or don't they? If so in 5 years when half of the states have legalized crossbows will you then refer to them as archery equipment?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Silent, this works both ways.

Nobody said there weren't similarities. It's the major differences between bows and crossbows I mentioned. According to you then any arrow shooting weapon is a bow? So pneaumatic arrow launchers are ok??? The projectile doesn't determine the weapon .. Silent, everyone knows that shotguns and ML shoot rifle bullets out of sabots... Guys, you are killing me,

It's still "limbs" and a "string" being drawn and held there by a person. Can't say that about a crossbow though...

The term "Chicken Flippin" is one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time. Yes, I did speak with the old timers ... you do realize that the number of "archers" 25 years ago was a fraction of what we have today right? At least with the 30 or so pre-compound shooters I shoot with, the compound was looked at more as gimmick that wouldn't work than anything else. Many of those old timers tried them, some stayed and some went back to what they liked. The one thing you fail to mention though... not 1 state that allowed traditional archery excluded the compound.

Have you not read a word "we" write? The choice we agree to is a seperate season.. hunt it if you want. Here the "choice" for crossbow hunters is a rifle, a shotgun or a crossbow. Archery season is not a choice becuase they aren't considered archery equipment.

Dude, you are right ... they are coming all right. Just ask Mississippi! Hell they are already here, just stuck in firearms season in almost every state where no one wants to use them.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

You said the ONE thing they all shared in common. I was merely pointing out there were things they all shared in common. You seemed to want to pick one issue to hang it all on but when I picked my issue you want to complete discount it[&:]

A crossbow doesn't have limbs and a string???? Are you sure about that?

Are you saying they all adopted the compound at the same time? If not then your point is irrelevant because if we have this conversation 10 years from now 100% of the states my adopted crossbows at which point I can say "not one single state failed to adopt them" at which time you will think that argument is pretty weak. Just like I do now;)

They may be a choice in your state soon. Will you call them archery equipment then? But the real issue is whether they can use them during the archery season. Why are you trying so hard to keep archery season all to yourself? Do you think you are helping the sport? You say you agree to a seperate season? If so do you agree to taking the archery season splitting the time between archery and crossbow season? That would only be fair wouldn't it? Or deserve more rights because you shoot a "special" bow?

i realize that and despite your best efforts to sabotage hunting as we know it, luckily the DNR's are realizing that we need additional hunters and they are taking the steps that need to be taken. It's one of the few things DNR's are actually getting right these days though they may be doing it for the wrong reasons. One thing you guys need to wrap your heads around is that in most states there is a whitetail poulation explosion. In those states the deer herd needs management and archery is a poor tool in the mangement arsenal. If there enough deer being taken out in archery season then archery season as a tool is useless and therefore expendable. Guess who is going to get the nod when more deer need to be taken out. ;)Yep the gun hunters. The DNR's may even come to the realization that there is no need for archery as a tool in the management arsenal and with so many groups leveling their sights on archery as inhumane etc. that they might just be better off getting rid of the archery season all together. But hey who cares, you kept those damn crossbowers out;)[:-]:eek::([:'(][&:][8D]

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Silent
I do agree with you, on most. The differance is still when it is used for hunting. I know that the rest is almost the same. But that is the whole point HUNTING SITUATION, because we are talking about them being in the same season with a bow, and using it during hunting season. Shoulder fired weapon verses not a shoulder fired weapon. There is allot of differances in all my bows but they require the same motion. Which is far from a crossgun. Its simple for me if it is used like a bow then it is a bow, reguardless of cams, pullies or a piece of wood, If it is shouldered like a gun, has a scope simular to a rifle, and requires no stgrenth to hold back, then it is not a bow Sir. That makes it more like a gun. I hunt on public land all year with a bow for everything, so all I do is share. I by far am not gready, so you can drop it from your equation.

As far as who should vote, Yes me and every other liscense buying hunter is that hunting residents only. If the rules effect the hunters don't you think we should have a say so, is there somthing wrong with DEMOCRACY. The Biolgists made that rule, did you read my last post? NOT WITH THE CONCERN OF THE WEAPONS LIKENESS, but with herd control in mind. If you are going to take a "crake" at it apply common since and good reason.

My wife can hunt with me in Bowseason so why does she need a crossbow to do it.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Yes a crossbow has limbs and a string, but it is NOT held at full draw by a person. That is why they are not considered bows.

Perhaps 100% of states will allow them during archery season... BUT, the fact they have been around for hundreds of years, are legal already during firearm type seasons but still have made almost no in road into archery season, I'll assume you'll need more than 10 more years to hold that over me.

Silent, do you actually read before you type? I say this because you assume there must be a correlation between "Archery Season" and "Crossbow Season". If you feel that there will be such an influx of new hunters and interest in a crossbow season it will of course need to be weighed into each states management plan. Why you insist that crossbows must be considered the same as bows is beyond me .. and frankly is not in the best interest of crossbow hunters. With your own season you could weigh the impact of your sport on the herds and hunter participation, validating all this fuss. I will be the adult that breaks the news to you, the world is not always "fair" to all people. Gun hunters don't get as much time in the woods as archers because their numbers and success would be detrimental to the deer herds. Since crossbow hunters have at best a weak and small following they may not generate the interest or need their own season, which leaves them hunting with firearm hunters in 47 states. Now should that change, and they grow in popularity, they may warrant their own season with state set guidelines.. which MAY or MAY NOT equal the time archery hunters get. Fair has absolutely nothing to do with it. Regardless of whether they hunt during rifle season, muzzleloader or archery season.... they will not be considered "archery" by me.

Crossbows don't make people stupid ...... they just prove it.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

So why do you care that a woman or kid get a little more of an advantage than you do? You get a little more of an advantage than trads hunters. Does that mean that compounds shouldn't be allowed in archery season? All of those other things still remain the same in a HUNTING SITUATION. You still have the same effective range in a hunting situation. You still have to judge yardage in a hunting situation. You still have the same amount of KE in a hunting situation and you still shoot an arrow in a hunting situation.

That's just were you have shoosed to draw the line in order to justify your own personal choice. Others may shoose to drawn the line differently. What gives you the right to decide for everyone else should drawn the line?

Again that's your opinion but some people and some states disagree with you so shouldering it being the only difference you can point to why do you care if someone else shoots one if it doesn't effect you and allows others who may be less fortunate or have less aptitude than you to hunt during the archery season?

I don't think so. you just explained to me why you are so greedy. You don't want to share "your" public hunting areas.

No I don't have a problem with that at all it's just simply not how it's done. Ask DC if he got a vote when MS propsed the use of crossbows. The answer is NO. Legislators and the DNR decide. They may ask for your input in ofer to appease everyone but at the end of the day the only vote that counts is theirs.

well then we have to assume they also made the decsion to allow compounds based on herd control and therefore we can't consider it a bow. That was your groups rationale for what is a bow and what isn't, wasn''t it. "Because 47 states say it's a bow" But now your discounting that. Do the states and DNR's get to decide or not? If not then your argument is shot to he!!

We I am glad for your wife but the fact that she is capable doesn't make everyone capable and you are still trying to keep those folks out of archery season.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

No that' why YOU don't consider it a bow. That's a pretty flimsy reason to descriminate against other hunters IMO.


Well the whitetail population explosion hasn't been going on that long so crossbows are just now being looked at as another possible management tool by many states. You may be right but then again you may not be. If I am right and there are legal in the majority of states in the next 10 years will you then consider a bow?

have you read any of my posts? I want them to be allowed in archery season to eveyone that wants to hunt during the archery season can do so. But can you explain why being able to choose and why allowing those that may not be able to use a compound or trad equipment to hunt is not in their best interest?

But why exclude people that we should be trying to recruit into our ranks?

I hate to keep beating this drum but that's like saying that women didnt' need to vote since they didn't draw enough interest to themselves. That's pretty assanine isn't it?

well that's definitely where are stances differ. i think anyone that wants to should have the chance to hunt during the archery season. To me archery season is a wonderful thing an big part of my life and something that I love and cherrish very much. I personally don't want to deprive anyone of enjoying that just as I do especially when the differences that we are talking about are so minute and ultimately inconsequental.

So disabled people are stupid because they use crossbows?[:'(]:(

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

next year im gonna hurt with the crossbow out of the blade movie thats a gatlin gun that shoots arrows. death to all 4 legged beasts and turkeys

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

You just clearly pointed out why though similar in effectiveness to bows, crossbows should have their own season. Because your point above is EXACTLY true of ML, shotguns and rifles... and guess what, they each have their own seasons.... you write it, but don't understand what you type.

No, the line already exists. Crossbows just ended up on the wrong side for your liking. Try as you will, they aren't on the archery side.

They didn't "allow" compounds to be considered legal archery equipment. It qualified by meeting all of their defined criteria already. They have ALWAYS been considered bows. After 50 pages I would think you'd have figured out it was the crossbow that isn't considered a bow and it doesn't meet the legal criteria to qualify for archery season.

Guess what? They are out of archery season. That doesn't mean they can't hunt though! Just as gun hunters, and muzzleloader hunters have to wait till their season, so do crossbow hunters. Asking someone to wait is now a bad thing? We should all roll over for some impatience from a few crossbow hunters. Ok.. that's going to happen.