Here is reality. You saw a 10 and a 12 point on your property where the town says it's illegal to hunt. Great that's the law. We both agree the town ends somewhere right? I'm not going to spell out to you other ways of getting permission to hunt. I've pointed out many of times how I gain permision through casual conversation. Be it at a bar, party or social event. Those are only a few. I know of 3 other ways I will keep close to my chest just like a person holding a straight flush with all in. Don't look at it as a no win situation but as a challenge to over come. This advice is coming from someone who hunted 7 manacured acres in the middle of multi million dollar homes and a wife who absolutely is against hunting. As far as the neighbors, I never asked but I'm sure many were against hunting. It can be done but not if your negative. Try a new tactic.

Good luck

Man.......you just don't get it. Not only have I told you 10 times already that I wouldn't shoot a deer that will come up and eat from my hand........but even if I wanted to I couldn't hunt those deer. It is illegal. The woods they live in is in the middle of a suburban town where you can't even discharge a weapon, let alone hunt. That's it. The woods don't lead to other woods......they don't funnel to a huntable location. The deer would have to walk about 10-15 miles down open paved roads and cross multiple 6 lane busy streets and the interstate just to get anywhere near huntable ground. I know you want desperately to believe that I could hunt these deer but just don't know how (and you do)..........but it ain't happening.

There is plenty of huntable land out there for me to try and get permission for without banging my head against the wall trying to come up with a way to hunt where it is illegal to hunt.


I never asked you to..........and I don't need you to.


I see a couple hundred people in my office every week.......I have worked my way into plenty of opportunities and have no problems breeching the subject........Hell I ran into a guy in Applebee's two weeks ago that I haven't seen in 10 years. 5 minutes into the conversation I had permission to hunt on his brothers land about 1/2 hour from my home. Should be nice but he only has 5 acres and I have to go see what my options are surrounding it. The lady that cuts my hair FINALLY caved in and said I could hunt her parents land this year (potential jackpot).......they have 40 acres that borders 240 of a farm that she says she has known since she was a girl and he will let me hunt his land too. I have to visit a farmer in the spring that is kicking all the trophy hunters off his land because they aren't killing any does.........the farm I killed my buck on this year has tons of potential for more opportunities now that we have shown we are responsible and nice guys.

Don't worry about me dude........I am working it 24-7. Just don't give me the stink-eye when I tell you that finding someone to open there land up to a bunch of guys is not easy around here........if I could take a couple guys to every place I have permission to hunt alone I wouldn't even be looking anymore.........some day I will hit the right guy on the right day.


When did I say it was a no win situation?? Look at it from my point of view for a second. I am the one out there all year with my nose to the ground looking for land and I know what it is like around here........but I have to read about how I just don't know how to get it done and how I can really hunt deer that are in my own yard only I don't know it.........well, that gets old real fast.........especially from someone that knows nothing about where I live or the land I hunt.

Atlas,

I have no doubt that despite the learning deficit that even you know what a hypocrite you made of yourself. Not that I am surprised it's just nice to see you confirm that you are in fact as big a joke as I thought you were

If you aren't smart enough to understand the english language or how to use it then I guess you are doomed to a life of ignorance.

Have fun with that

Why don't you show us all how saying when you are hunting you do everything ethically and legally.........is hypocritical because I shoot my bow for practice where technically I'm not supposed to.

By your logic I am a hypocrite for doing everything legally when I hunt and then jaywalking from time to time or speeding.......after all both are breaking the law and have nothing to do with hunting just like your example.

Try Hooked on Phonics dude

Nothing like a lecture on ethics from a guy who wants to hunt turkey with rocks

Ok Silent, what's the story with the rocks?

lol.....DC there really isn't a story it's just the only thing atlas is smart enough to come up with. I once said that I could kill a tureky with a rock (being sarcastic of course) in a debate about whether it was tougher to kill a mature buck or a mature gobbler.

atlas,

Face it you're a hypocrite and a criminal and now you have proved it for us. I don't blame you. If I had made as big an @$$ of myself as you have I would want to try to spin it and get the spotlight off me too. Unfortunately, it's too late for that now that you've outed yourself for what you really are Be careful stepping off that high horse though.............that first steps a dooozy[8D]

I agree with passing on young bucks.Like many of you I do not want to impose my beliefs on anyone else.If someone is engaging in hunting activity that is legal it is hard to find fault with them.How ever my personal opinion is that if we are ever to see a decent level of older class bucks it will be necessary to pass on younger bucks.As a mature hunter it does nothing for me to kill a young buck.They are the most naive unaware animal in the woods.I will shoot a doe before I will kill a young buck.
I do not wish to deny a young hunter the opportunity to harvest an animal but why is it so critical for them to harvest a buck.Why isn't it every bit as admirable to harvest a doe,why does that does life have any less importance in the form of reward or challenge to the hunter.I believe it has to do with cultural issues,the young hunter believes it is more important to harvest a buck because that has been what they have been taught.
We need to work on changing the culture!In my area of New York State the only reason bucks are so difficult to kill is because there are so few of them.Our herd balance is easily 12 mature does to every buck.This is not a natural balance in any form of animal species.Why is this acceptable to our DEC and our hunting community?

Of course


I admit I shoot my bow for practice where technically it is illegal..........and I speed from time to time and I have jaywalked a few times here and there. I even once went through a red light and didn't come to a complete stop at a sign..........I had a beer or 2 before I was legal age too [] None of those has anything to do with hunting........it's a shame you aren't bright enough to understand the meaning of hypocrite. Totally expected..........but still a shame. Most kids learn that in grade school.


You have it spelled out twice in your username so everyone knows not to expect much from you


A hunter that does everything legally and ethically??..........Boy that IS embarrassing

Oh.......that's right!!.......You are an admitted poacher who stays on stand past legal shooting hours. I forgot that little gem from your past postings.

Let's see here........someone who wants to hunt turkey with rocks and poaches deer after legal shooting hours have passed lecturing someone else on ethics and the law. No hypocrisy there

So which is it considered? Technically a misdemeanor or technically a felony the discharging of a firearm with in city limits.

Why do you ask?