he doesnt sound like that bad of a guy just doesnt know what he is talking about when it comes to archery, im sure that a 125 gr muzzy will fly just as nice its just a lil bit of a pain thats all, and when i know that my setup is more than sufficient to kill a bear

First off all I think that labeling all Canadians as stupid it just stupid. Right here in good ol USA, in my home state of Idaho we have a few archery rulles that get out of staters in trouble every year. The biggest rule that the out of staters break all the time is no more than 65% let off. I don't agree with the rule myself, but its a rule and if you shoot an animal with a bow with 70% let off or more you are breaking the law. In Idaho we have to use no less than a 400 grain arrow/broadhead combo and be able to pull 40 pounds. That rule I do agree with, with a big animal like, Elk or Moose its takes a lot more KE than the average whitetail deer. Another rule that gets people into trouble is no mechcanical broadheads for all big game. I wish they would amend that rule to only elk, moose and bear, and allow you to use expandables for deer and antelope but they don't so we have follow it. I know that you might be mad about it, and it seems stupid having to use a 125 grain broadhead but that is the outfitters rule. He might be new to guiding archery hunters and is not wanting to take any chances, and figures he is playing it safe by making his clients follow this rule. Or maybe he has had a few bears get away after being hit with 100 grain heads and he blames it on the lighter broadhead. If I were you I would ask your outfitter strait out why he has the rule. I agree that killing or not killing and wounding a bear is all about shot placement placement, and 25 grains will not make a difference. But because of the rule your outfitter does, I don't know I would cancel, but just make the switch to the 125 grain heads, change arrows if needs be and go have some fun and kill a bear. Just my 2 cents

I'd be willing to bet his core disagreement is light arrows and by saying 125 grain head he reduces this problem. Just a guess.

I hunted Idaho in 2002 with my wife, we had trouble getting her arrows up to 400 gr, had to switch to aluminum arrows to get it there and still spine right.

The move with carbons has been for lighter arrows for speed. My opinion is that KE is the totally wrong measurement for penetration with an arrow, you need momentum which is based on weight more than speed. KE works for bullets, not arrows.

Chances are your arrow will fly fine with 125 gr heads. Also chances are there is something behind the outfitters stance, probably related to carbon arrows and weight if you dug deep enough.

Hit them right and you will get good penetration, trouble comes on larger animals when you hit ribs, thicker hide, shoulder bones/shoulder blades. I've never hunted bear, so I have no clue as to their internal makeup. For elk, I had no issue with the ID 400gr rule, big critters!

--Bob

I agree that all this trash talk about Canadian's just show's the intelligence of the people who said it. Rule's are rule's and I'm sure there's some dumb outfitter's in the U.S. of A. So quit gripeing about the Canadian's .There's probably a reason for it, and that's a question you should have asked when he told you that there was no use of 100gr head's .Who know's his reasoning ,but it's his business and if that's what he want's then you had better play by the rule's .I also am hunting for bear's as well this season here in Ont CANADA and I'm using 100gr head's . Your perception of US Canadian's and our rule's is the ignorance we expect from guy's like you Bob D.So if you don't like the rule's stay home.

I apoligize for this remark ,because I know that all American's aren't like this and are good people,but there are a select few .
nubo

I don't doubt he has a reason for it. However, I sincerely doubt that the reason is not a stupid one. This guy is basically saying that "Joe Bob's" arrow with a 125 gr head with a total arrow weight of 400 grains and flying 260 fps is going to out penetrated my arrow with a 100 gr. head with a total weight of 444 gr. flying 280 fps merely becasue the head weighs more. I don't care what his rationale is that is a stupid rule. Even if he was a big FOC advocate he still wouldn't make sense. Broadhead weight plays such an insignificant role in arrow penetration when all else is equal that it's rediculous that we are even having this conversation. So again let's clarify, regardless of his own personal reasoning it's stupid, plain and simple. It wouldn't matter if he was Canadian, Mexican, Arabic, German, Spanish, Portugese, Guatamalan, Chinese, Mongolian, American, or French, that's a stupid rule.

I didn't say it was logical but I'm trying to make sence of why this rule would be. I agree with good shot placement the size of the head will matter little on bear. The outfitter may find that a lot of hunters have less then perfect shot placement and the 125g heads (along with a heavier arrow) will get you a little extra penetration. Reguardless of why he has the rule it's in place and you can adjust accordingly or hunt elsewhere.

For those who've make remarks to the effect it's because he's from Canada, you're probably right. My guess is the outfitter has imigrated there from somewhere in the U.S. (There are idots all over this world)

I'm not pi--ed because of the rule as far as I'm concerned your absolutely right the rule doesn't make any sense at all and I'm not sure why this guy would have it in place in the first place .I know many bear hunter's here that use 100gr head's for bear and are successful .I don't know of any such rule here in Ont ,so it must be self imposed .I'm pi--ed because I didn't care for Bob D's remark about the rule being stupid because of it being Canadian .I took this remark as an insult to all Canadian's .

nubo

Deer902-- you're on the ball there --that's a good one.

Bowhunterlimerick--'NOT ALL CANADIANS', the 'one' you had your arrangements with.

This makes sense , but if your bow is tuned to a particular setup , changing the tip weight can throw a bunch of other things off , and can be a reel pain , especially for new archers who are just starting to figure out how to tune their bow/arrows . And some people have a favorite head that they have had success with , building their confidence . This goes against 2 basic rules , KISS , and , if it ain't broke don't fix it . Of coarse those who like to fiddle are always breaking those rules anyway .

Nubo,

I understand and agree with the resentment to the generalization. I am from Arkansas and get it all of the time. Despite the fact that I have a college degree and my wife has two and we make a comfortable living, people think of people from Arkansas as toothless, uneducated, rednecks. While I freely admit to being a redneck I am not toothless nor uneducated Also, despite the fact that some of the richest people in the US and some of the largest corporations in the US were started and or are owned by Arkansans we still get this stigma. That being said, I understand your plite. You have some real dumb a's in Canada just like you do in Arkansas but that doesn't mean we all are.