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Straightarrow, do you and wolfen get your &quot;facts&quot; from the same book?
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i enjoy watching their show but if you believe the reason they don't hunt public land for liability reasons then you must be around 10 years old and pretty damn gullable.i'm sure they pounded on these questions all the time and they get sick of defending themselves they do a good job.but the bottom line is people who hunt dream of killing big bucks not a little forky but a big rack and a monster neck.i have got twenty seven mounts on my walls of deer that i killed from 125 and up and i assure you i do not dream of killing a little buck nor do i want to kill a little buck.and i do not want a watch someone shoot a little buck. not one of my bucks have came from a managed area nor will they if i can't shoot a deer in its natural cycle i want nothing to do with it,so it would be possible for them to hunt deer like everyone else does if they desired to.so let them shoot their deer on managed land where they come to the whirl of feeders going off in front of their blinds,let them continue to shoot 5 or 6 year old deer that are pretty tame from years of being passed not from their ability of evading hunters but because the mananger of the land says not to shoot young deer.to me this isn't really hunting,but i will continue to watch their shows because i like BIG BUCKS.you know if a man has 20 thousand acres free ranging deer and there are 640 acres to a square mile and a deers range is 10 miles and you managed the center of it for the best quality deer the bucks need no fence to keep them in at all and then regulate the amount of hunting pressure allowed any one area i believe you could grow some pretty tame free ranging deer that could be harvested fairly easy if a big name hunting show wants to pay the price.come on buddy get n the real world

The guys are businessmen. It's their living. It sells videos. There are worse ways to make a living. They aren't breaking any laws, and some people enjoy watching the videos. If you don't like them, don't buy or watch them. I ued to have quite a few of the videos, but I became bored with them. They are all the same. See the deer. Shoot the deer. I'm sure the hours the Realtree boys spen in the stand are not all fun and games. They have their problems too. (I can't believe I'm actually writing this) I'm not a Bill Jordan fan, but you have to give him credit for buiding a big business doing something he likes to do.

Here's my two cents. I watch the team Realtree and the Primos hunting videos. I love to see the big bucks and it gets me fired up for hunting season, even though I don't have a snowballs chance in Hell of seeing bucks that big on our land. The Primos guys and Bill Jordans gang all seem like nice people and look to be having a ton of fun. HOWEVER....anyone who thinks that these guys have the success they do and kill the size bucks that they do because they are just highly skilled hunters is very gullable. Most of these hunts are filmed on very exclusive, very expensive hunting ranches. The deer have had very little hunting pressure. They have been fed in the same field or at the same feeder since they were born. Most of these deer could have been easily killed at any time but have been passed on until they reached maximun antler growth. They talk a lot about scouting, scent control, stand placement and camo but the truth is that anyone with decent archery or marksmanship skills could kill the same size deer that they do. OH...that is if you have about 10,000 dollars to blow on a single hunting trip. Let them go hunting on public land. No guide, no semi-tame deer. Just them verses bucks that have managed to survive to maturity on land where they have been fair game since a horn first broke the hairline on their head. Let me see them down about a 150 class buck under those circumstances and then I will start listening to the tips they dole out. As it stands now though, I just like to look at the big horns and dream.

I got some info from a member who used to work or had a friend who worked for BJ. HE says that he gets a call from a land owner who says hey Bill I just saw a huge buck you might want to come out and shoot it for your videos. Doesn't sound like hunting to me, kind of like the deer will be here at 5:30 so be ready. I do watch them for the off season just for entertainment purposes. I don't think I learn a darn thing from these guys. I learn more on this board then there videos. I also would like to here how private land has less liability too. Public land does, NOT private land.

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No, there's no book.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Admittedly, it's a guess. The actual percentage could be 90% or 98%. Who knows for sure? I referring to the number of hunters who will pass on a legal buck that walks by. If it's more than 1 out of 20, I'd be very surprised.

I'll use New York State as an example. There will be in the vicinity of 1/2 million deer hunters in the state this year. The vast majority of these hunters will go out in the field for no more than 3 days and many of these will only spend a couple hours hunting in any one day. Virtually everyone of these hunters will shoot the first legal buck they see. If they have a doe permit, many will shoot the first doe they see. I will also venture to say that out of the more hard core hunters that hunt a week or longer, a majority of those will also shoot the first legal buck they see.

I personally only know two hunters who will pass on a juvenile buck, while waiting for something older. They are both bowhunters. I know a lot of hunters, way over a 100! I'm sure in some states the percentage is lower - maybe 80-85%, but overall the states with the most hunters tend to have fewer selective hunters. So, even though Kansas may have 20% who are selective, they don't have anywhere near the number of hunters that New York or PA has. Add them all together and it's probably somewhere in the 90 percentile that will shoot the first legal buck.

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Cool. That was my only real &quot;complaint&quot; about any of the Realtree videos. I bought both Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 of MB X. In it there is basically only the &quot;kill scene&quot; or &quot;day of the kill&quot; and yet I watched Realtree outdoors yesterday and they had one of the same hunts on the TV show...but, this time they actually showed several of the days' hunts that led up to the kill. They also had a brief 20 second scene where they explained why they hunted the area that they did. Now that was impressive.

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...it is entertainment, is it not?

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Edited by - PABowhntr on 09/09/2002 07:40:19

I guess I'm kinda guilty on this one, but I still firmly believe that its not all on unfenced land, regardless of size. I am not at all jealous, I hunt on well managed private ground and we all see and take 140 class bucks quite often. But, I just don't see the point in these shows other than entertainment. Most are not very informative. I would just like to see more of what leads up to the kill. Give me something useful. I just made a post after watching a days worth of these shows. I might have gotten a little carried away. These guys are good hunters, and I dont doubt their skill, but I just dont care for them, and try not to watch any more of them than I have to.