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8PT no you are not weird, I ranked them in this order, 1 being the best:

1. Mossy Oak " Break Up"
2. Skyline " Excel"
3. Realtree Hardwoods HD " High Definition"
4. Natgear
5. ASAT

I beleive what is going on here is everyone and everything " sees" differently. I am sure deer do also. Heck I have tried many times pointing out a deer standing in the woods to some folks and they never can see it even though to me it is standing out like a sore thumb! The people who never seem to be able to see a deer I am pointing out look at a wooded area in a " vertical" manner because they are none hunters, to them the woods are trees and because trees are vertical they do not see the " horizontal" which is deer and other animals. Hunters see the horizontal because that indicates deer or the like. Hunters spend hours on end looking for the horizontal among the vertical. Deer hunters also see white in the woods far better than non-hunters, many times I spot deer either due to the horizontal back/neck/head or the white on them. Antlers for some strange reason seem to stand out to me also, why I don' t know, maybe it has something to do with the polished look.

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I remember the Hawaiian shirt thing too :D


As I' ve said, I' ve done these tests myself many times.

ANY camo works good on the ground (hell even a plaid shirt does), because there is a multitude of background cover: precisley where camo like MO, RT, etc work best because they have something to blend into;which is how they are designed to work. OPen patterns work by breaking the outline; they require very little background cover up close, and virtually none at distance.

Wait ' til you move that suit of camo up in the tree about 10 feet. The " designer" camo will make you look like a big fat crow sitting up there. Especially after the leaves fall.

In fact it' s not hard to imagine in Matt' s pics just placing the camo up the line of the trees in the background, and you can see how bad the RT an MO will look. Dark colors don' t have anything to blend into against the lighter colored sky with just a few branches and leaves

To emphasize it even more Matt, take those treestand pics from about 4 feet off the ground (appx. where a deer' s eyes will be).

Funny thing is, ever notice how Realtree and MO, and Trebark alwaysadvertise their camo via pictures? LOOKING DOWN at the Hunter who is in a tree from about 3 feet?![:o] From that angle & distance their product looks awesome. Too bad that' s not how a deer is going to see you.[:@] Then of course they have those pics set up in perfect lighting w/ the right terrain so their camo matches best, etc.

Now go look at the Predator, ASAT, and Sticks N' Limbs website and look at the pictures there. No airbrushing, no perfect lighting, just guys standing out in the open , in moderate cover, or in a tree as a DEER would see you.

I don' t have the ASAT web addy, but you can try:

www.predatorcamo.com & also go to www.bowhunting.net and scroll down for the SnL website. Edit: heres the link http://www.bowhunting.net/sticks/default.htm#sltop

The designer camo business is easily one of if not the biggest rackets in the hunting industry. It' s just like a flashy fishing lure: catches more fisherman than fish.

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I agree with 8 point i thought the asat stuck out i like the #4best,,, i guess everyone to there own...

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I meant to say # 3...... was the best for me... not 4...

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Very good thread and research. I can see where people find the ASAT sticking out like a sore thumb, but when I took a moment and really looked at it, it seems to go 3-D and it felt like I was looking through it not at it, very good. But I wonder how it would perform up in a tree??

I will definitely be experimenting with different patterns in the future instead of always defaulting to the Mossy oak or Realtree, thanks for the insight

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Jeff I actually liked the pics, I hunt from the ground 90% of the time, so the ASAT would not do me real well on the ground, I am not saying it is bad camo at all, it all depends on the background.

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I think they all did a good job in that situation. Skyline excel seemed best to me, with Realtree the worst. ASAT was one of the easiet to see, but that is because the camo pattern stood out the most. The outline is broken up very well with the ASAT and it may work best on a moving person, but not in the view presented with the person motionless, in my opinion.

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I love these discussions. :)

First off, I would like to thank Matt for doing this. This was a great idea. I would like to assist you in this endeavor if I might. I have several different camo outfits that I could use as well both on ground level and at treestand height. Regrettably though, none are open patterns. I guess I will have to leave that up to you.

Now, I will admit that out of all those pictures, the Mossy Oak Breakup looks the best to me from this level. It seems to " blend in" the best with the environment and format that you chose. However, Jeff' s comments about the angle and height that the deer are viewing the hunter at is my chief concern. With an angle that would promote having more sky behind the hunter then I think the ASAT camo would probably work the best since it does have so many light colored openings in the pattern.

The Skyline Excel looks like it would be the best pattern for either situation.

The Realtree Hardwoods definitely does blob and looks really " crappy" to me, again, with this angle and format.

Having made those comments though, I do not think that I would say that all photo realistic, high detail camo patterns are not up to the same level of the open patterns even when it comes to treestand pictures. There are several HD style patterns that try to incorporate lighter/more open areas in conjunction with compatible colors and shapes. I would definitely like to see Realtree Xtra Brown in this equation and hope to be able to provide that along with Advantage Timber, the new Mossy Oak Breakup and Cabelas Seclusion 3D camo for testing purposes.

Finally, this could not come at a more opportune time. When I was at Cabelas last night I had my digital camera " misplaced" . That gives me the opportunity to get a new one and this " test" provides a perfect chance for me to try it out. ;)

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I have an idea for the Pictures in a tree......More to come tonight. If I am successful I will post an entirely new topic.:)

I really think what Jeff is saying will bear out.......sparse cover viewed from below the dark ones are gonna take on a whole new appearance. Since that is 95% of most bowhunter' s environment while hunting it only makes sense to try it.