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Howdy all,

Have to add in a few cents worth of science knowledge here.

First: Deer do not see in black & white. They have dichromatic vision, humans have trichromatic vision. That is, deer have cones that distinguish two types of colors, we have three. Both mammals have rods which work in dim/dark situations.

Second: This equates to deer cones being ~10X more sensitive to short wavelengths (blue/UV), and possessing the ability to see yellow (blue and yellow sensitive cones). Humans have basically blue, green and red cones.

Third: Unlike trichromatic mammals, dichromatic eyes only see the two colors---yellow and blue/UV---plus white/black/grey. The lack of the third type of cone equates to the inability to see the blended colors we see as humans (such as blaze orange).


With that information, now look at the camo patterns and realize that deer see UV brighteners (blue/UV) and varying degrees of yellow (degrees based on various yellows and intensities of brighteners).

Sorry, but ASAT (which I own :D ) and Skyline get my vote for the deer woods. Turkeys, on the other hand, have more retinal properties than humans, so the more colors I wear the happier I become.

The new RT and the new MO work great for turks, but for deer the various browns and greens just turn to greys which equates into the dreaded " blob effect" we all strive to avoid.

Most of the deer science I noted was taken from a research paper (1993) presented by Dr. Karl Miller, conducted by Murphy, Miller, Marchinton, Deegan, Neitz and Jacobs (" Photopigments of white-tailed deer" ), the turk paper is somewhere buried on my desk (until Spring rolls around ;) )

S&R

Edit: PS> Matt, thanks for the test. I do a little photography, and I can' t think of way to photograph just yellow/blue AND black & white. You would have to combine filters. May be able to take the pictures on digital and then go to Photoshop or Photo Editor and filter out everything else, but the blacks may be distorted and require a paintbrush. Sounds like a bunch of work, but I know you' re good with the ' puter ;)

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Matt; GREAT POST.........
Very informative and educational.
Good Job;)

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I' m with Rack.........hang all the above suites in a tree, 16-20 feet up and take some new pictures.
I also agree with Matt on the fact that if you focus on the three trees to the left of the suites and focus, some of the suites have a tendency to " disappear" . I thought that the Mossy Oak and the Realtree looked better using this method. ASAT looks like it would do a little better " up the tree" .

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Matt,

Just a suggestion if you take some photos with the camo up a tree, maybe have half the garment with the tree in the back ground, and the other half with a sky background. This way, we can see the effectiveness depending on the angle the deer takes to the stand.

By the way, great project! It' s no wonder we can' t agree on what bow is best. We can' t even agree on what we see! :D;)

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ASAT??

Sticks out in the picture you took. Looks like a ghost walking through the woods.

The Skyline looks good as does the MOBU.

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I agree with a few others, IMO the Skyline is HANDSDOWN the winner in this test. Hell its even hard to make out that there is even a suit in the picture to begin with. I also agree that this test is more for early season bowhunters and spring turkey chasers. Put the suits 20' up in trees in December with only limbs and trunks for cover and see what happens. The Skyline and ASAT type camos only get better (as well as the NatGear, that is FINE camo as well under such conditions!).

The key is non-movement and putting stands in trees other than " powerline straight poles" to offer better concealment and breakup. No question about it, the " big 2" (Mossy Oak & Realtree) are effective under selected conditions, but just standing out in the open or at a distance of more than 40-50yds they simply turn black or " blob up" . But then again, sit at the base of a tree in April with Skyline and see how the lighter colors really stand out vs the darker " blob camos" under such conditions. Thats why different colors and types of clothes are a must for the allseason hunter. The only true " all season and locations" camo available is a Ghilly suit, but how wants to wear one of them while early season bowhunting or chasing gobblers over the Ozarks in May?

GREAT test btw!!!
RA

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I also think in this background that the ASAT was very out of place (almost glow in the dark). I had to look at the natgeer before I went back so I could see the Mossy Oak. I think any movement of the ASAT would be extremely visible against the tree trunks. But all this is from a guy who wears a bunch of miss matched stuff.

8pt
I was even kneeling in dead grass next to a cornfield a week ago 5yds from a deer wearing 95% traditional woodland camo military surplus gear.[:o]

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Same here.

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A little more food for thought:D

" Brand X sure looks better to me" .

Some folks are proving my point (or more importantly the point of the manufacturers of camo like ASAT, Predator, etc).

It doesn' t matter what it looks like to me. It matters what it looks like to a deer.

A deer does not see in 3 dimensions as well as us.Their depth perception is poor at best. Fancy 3D limbs and leaves are wasted on their vision capabilities. You have to achieve that effect with contrast. Squint your eyes a bit and look at Matt' s pictures.

As we all probably know/have heard: A deer and many other game animals identify us as humans by our outline or basic general shape. By breaking that outline or shape, they get confused. So they look harder, especially when they have caught our movement. But with a Pattern like ASAT or Predator they cannot focus on any one piece of the outline. The pattern is visually confusing to them, and is designed that way on purpose. The outlines melt away. So they end up " looking through you" , then go about their business because they cannot identify you as a threat or anything else. The pattern plays on the deficiencies in their eyes, instead of playing on the efficencies in ours as most modern camo does.

And that' s my sermon for the day. Discuss [:-];):D