Just curious....

Which carbons are you shooting ......that are heavier than your 2315's?

And.....

What kind of bow is a "stinger"? It's quite impressive it's shooting 314fps. @ 60#'s.

I have bowhunted for a long while. Can't say I ever had trouble with thunderheads or even old muzzy's. Hated that thunderheads blades fall out, but they were deadly sharp. I can't say I would ever hunt with anything that has so much contraversy as a rage. But also, I think folks are nuts for paying more than 5-6 dollars for a broadhead. I myself just don't get it. Other than advertising has a huge effect on some and not on others.

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There is absolutely no way your getting 316 out of a PSE Stinger. just because the IBO may say 316 does not mean it is shooting 316. plus the IBO on that bow at 70# and 30" draw with a 350 gr. arrow is 304-296. And if your shooting heavy arrows, definatly no way your getting that speed. maybe your getting 216 my guess is your getting right about 220 fps, depending on your DL which depending on your arrows your probably only getting about 43 ft/p of KE, but im definatly not an expert like some of the guys on here

sorry GMMAT it didnt qoute his part of the post is what i meant to be in there

I have no dog in this fight but I'd like to make a comment.

Think of all the Celebs that endorse this head. There they are with there reputation on the line. Their income depends on their success.

They shoot game on camera for the world to see. Despite whether they get extra attention from outfitters or free hunts, it doesn't make a difference when it comes down to how that broadhead performs (on camera)

You got a guy like Chuck Adams that has credentials that far surpass anyone on this forum. He has always put down mechanicals from day one. He's wrote many articles advising against mechanicals. Yet, he now endorses the Rage.

Some might say he got a lot of money to say that, but I doubt it. If he was that money hungry, someone would have had him endorsing their product a long time ago. Besides, his reputation is on the line. I believe he has an untarnished reputation thus far.

I don't use Rage BH, I actually use Slick Tricks currently, but I have used other mechanicals in the past. Even then, the heads I was using got a lot of similar comments, yet they performed great for me.

Just my .02

You sound like the kind of guy that would go on a hunting trip and when he gets ther, just pull the bow out and go hunting without shooting the bow.

You don't check your BH's at least once in awhile to make sure everything is good? ....and you're worried about taking a chance with the Rage.

Never used a rage, never had a reason to stop using Muzzy's. I hear both sides of the argument and I must say it seems like preference to me. I do agree with a lot of comments on here though. No matter what you should always check your broadheads, I check mine everytime i knock an arrow to make sure there tight and i use Muzzy MX-3s as i stated. Also, i think you need a fair amount of Kinetic Energy to be able to shoot mechanicals well. Also, i have found my fair share of lost or wounded deer with both types of heads, and most shoots look like shooter error either way you put it. However, i have to say a fixed blade broadhead i think will be a little more forgivin. As long as you check the head there is not chance of change of flight and even with a loose broadhead the flight isnt altered that much, as it would be with a mechanical. Another thing is i have had plenty of arrows hit shoulder and with a bow with the right amount of KE the fixed blade will get through a whitetails first shoulder and get inside enough, i have seen mechanicals fail at this (not saying i have seen a rage yet though) Also, in my thoughts pass through with 2 holes is better then one big hole, normal clouting and everthing along with tissue change and depending where you hit other organs and muscles can block blood flow, so no matter what Bh i think everyone should shoot to have pass through. And the way i hunt i have no moving parts on my bow, my sight doesnt move, my rest doesnt move ( I use a WB, switched back because of experience with mechanical issues on drop aways and arrows falling off the rest on others) Nothing moves, also i like to know that the same set i use for whitetails, mulies and blacktails i can take to the high country to use on elks with out changing a single thing, i just wouldnt trust and a mechanical on an elk, but the seem to be fairly effective on whitetails when shot properly. Another thing, lets be honest about all these TV celebrities they will shoot what ever pays the bills. I have seen them all switch bow companies and equipment time and time again, with the exception of a few, most seem to have a price. Even Chuck Adams. Someone has to pay for those trips.

Annika:

As you know, I've been one of the loudest proponents of the rage head since I started using it two years ago. In the hands of the right archer/hunter.....they are THE most devastating head on the market (IMO).

Where I have a disconnect with the company is......their seeming lack of interest in educating potential end users on the absolute NECESSITY of shooting them from a properly tuned setup. "Flies just like field points" has always been a selling point for most BH's.....and it's especially true with mechanicals.

If Rage would do a PSA on the importance of proper tuning (bow AND arrow marriage), I think they'd gain a LOT of respect in the marketplace.

I'm one of the people I speak of. I "thought" my bow was in tune. In fact, it was, while I was shooting the rage head. That meant NOTHING.....if the arrow wasn't a proper match. It wasn't, and my penetration suffered. Was it the head's fault? No. It was SOLELY mine.

I realize the market share would be reduced if the real facts about who should and shouldn't be shooting these heads was revealed. Thin line. BUT....if the company took more of a pro-active role in educating end users......many would see the co. in a better light (I know I would). Maybe it's not their responsibility. But, someone needs to do it.

With the introduction of the new 1.5" head....the marketing (40KE) plan disturbs me. 1st off....I hold little confidence in the avg. archer/hunter knowing his KE. Educate them! A short PSA from the company (instead of a Lee and Tiffany spot) would go a long way (IMO). A training program for your retailers would, also. Give these guys selling them some heads for their troubles.

I lend little credence to the "faulty" claims. Been there - done that. Laid several down with the heads from a "not so perfect" setup. I never had one open in flight. I never had one fail to open. I never had one NOT produce a devastating entrance. Proper training and education would assure more exit wounds.

I place a great deal of importance on being able to discern the magnitude of the hit.....on being able to examine the arrow at the point of impact. I can't do that if my arrow is still in the deer.

Just my FOUR cents....lol.