Dont lose your cool in the heat of the moment! ( Better ?)
02-02-2009 | 07:12 PM
#11
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RE: Hornography -
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
Will is right, you are wise beyond your years.
I think I know what you mean Dave when you get to the point of really holding out for a nice 140" deer, then in retrospect you think to yourself you should have taken one or two of those mid-120's that you passed up because at least then you'd have something to "show" for your efforts. I know I personally have balked at shooting some smaller deer, even some with some interesting character because I hoped I'd see them again the next year, only to never see them again. For me the hunt is about the thrill of "tricking" the animals and watching them without them ever knowing I was there is what it is all about. Harvesting them is just one of the factors that I enjoy. But it's also the HIGHLIGHT of a season when you can take a good buck or a OLD MATURE doe. In my eyes either is quite a trophy. I supposed I'm into "furology" because deer that are quite memorable to me usually get their hides tanned and I enjoy a bit of nostalgia reminiscing of those hunts while looking at them on my quilt racks and bannister.
02-02-2009 | 07:15 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Hornography -
I would have to agree, that was a great post and so very, very true.
Shane
Shane
ORIGINAL: johnnybravoo77
Post of the year! And its only February! I think there are plenty of hunters that need to eat their own bowl of cheerios and quit trying to piss in everyone elses.
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
02-02-2009 | 07:36 PM
#13
Nontypical Buck
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From: Hortonville, Wisconsin
RE: Hornography -
ORIGINAL: bowmanaj
I subscribe to Ohio Outdoor News and I know the article you speak of. Sure I'd love to kill big bucks with giant racks, but I hunt because
it makes me happy. Every deer is an accomplishment for me. Im sure every deer hunter falls asleep thinking of giant racks (I do), but right now
I'm just having fun and trying to learn and improve.
I subscribe to Ohio Outdoor News and I know the article you speak of. Sure I'd love to kill big bucks with giant racks, but I hunt because
it makes me happy. Every deer is an accomplishment for me. Im sure every deer hunter falls asleep thinking of giant racks (I do), but right now
I'm just having fun and trying to learn and improve.
It doesn't really matter if I go out there and sit there for one hour or eight, I am just happy to be out there. Just seeing or shooting a deer is a plus whether is be a doe or buck. No matter what I am happy as long as it feeds the family.
02-03-2009 | 01:50 AM
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: Dont lose your cool in the heat of the moment! ( Better ?)
ORIGINAL: dave37
Well it only seems fitting with Rob/PA Boyer spittin a bit of truth on her that i share with you gentlemen that don't have the privlidge of receiving a great publication ( if your in ohio ) Ohio Outdoor News. I read an article by Steve Pollick about an evolving epidemic. He has coined the term " hornology ". Hornology is an obsession with big antler , trophy racks , and to a greater or lesser degree, if not all of us are guilty of "horn envy". But in recent years it seems the fair chase, the stroke of luck , the journey doesnt count for much. The destination in our so-called tunnel vision has no end in sight ( without a great big rack to arrive to ). Dont get me wrong i want a big buck as much as the next guy , but in that pursuit sooner or later we arrive at a fork in the road where it sometimes seems all too easy to stray from the ethical path and head down a foggy road that once traveled is irreversible. Anyways without boring you with a lengthy read that leaves you nodding off , in the end its the friends , places , sights , smells on your journey that make it great. His article made me think a bit , ive been walking out of the woods, or on here rantin about not gettin it done , or just overall not happy at points in the season because of my addiction to " hornography ". No longer .
Enjoy your time in the woods with friends and family. Cause one day
while you making grand plans fueled by your obsession with " hornography" , all the greatest things , that is the journey , the comraderie , will slip by undetected.
Well it only seems fitting with Rob/PA Boyer spittin a bit of truth on her that i share with you gentlemen that don't have the privlidge of receiving a great publication ( if your in ohio ) Ohio Outdoor News. I read an article by Steve Pollick about an evolving epidemic. He has coined the term " hornology ". Hornology is an obsession with big antler , trophy racks , and to a greater or lesser degree, if not all of us are guilty of "horn envy". But in recent years it seems the fair chase, the stroke of luck , the journey doesnt count for much. The destination in our so-called tunnel vision has no end in sight ( without a great big rack to arrive to ). Dont get me wrong i want a big buck as much as the next guy , but in that pursuit sooner or later we arrive at a fork in the road where it sometimes seems all too easy to stray from the ethical path and head down a foggy road that once traveled is irreversible. Anyways without boring you with a lengthy read that leaves you nodding off , in the end its the friends , places , sights , smells on your journey that make it great. His article made me think a bit , ive been walking out of the woods, or on here rantin about not gettin it done , or just overall not happy at points in the season because of my addiction to " hornography ". No longer .
Enjoy your time in the woods with friends and family. Cause one day
while you making grand plans fueled by your obsession with " hornography" , all the greatest things , that is the journey , the comraderie , will slip by undetected.
I agree that there are some people out there that let their judgement get clouded during their quest for a large set of antlers, there are just as many that don't. Antlers are not the problem, people are the problem. It's their morals that get them into trouble. Everybody wants cash. Some people work for it, some people steal it. Do we call it "cash porn" or "cashology"? No, we don't! We don't blame the cash, we blame the person. We call them thieves. Just as people who break the rules to get the trophy antlers should be called poachers.
I don't buy into this "it's too easy to stray" BS! No it's not....... don't break the law, you'll ultimately pay and you know it.
Is there really anyone out there that is truly happy with themselves and their illegally gotten antlers?
If people would hunt for themselves, let others hunt for themselves and stick with the morals and ethics that they were taught, there wouldn't be any problems.
You see? It's not the horns........ it's the people! That's gospel.
02-03-2009 | 03:46 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: S. NH
RE: Dont lose your cool in the heat of the moment! ( Better ?)
Hunting intervention...
Hi my name is Ed and I have a hunting problem.
Everyone says: Hi Ed...
Thanks for having me. I would like to start and end with...
"I'm a hunter" and everyone can kiss my fat, pimply, narrow white ass if you don't like it!
"Everyone else can do what they want", as long as it is within the law, period.
The end!
Hi my name is Ed and I have a hunting problem.
Everyone says: Hi Ed...
Thanks for having me. I would like to start and end with...
"I'm a hunter" and everyone can kiss my fat, pimply, narrow white ass if you don't like it!
"Everyone else can do what they want", as long as it is within the law, period.
The end!
02-03-2009 | 04:03 AM
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RE: Hornography -
TEmbry the best said in a long time!!!!
Dave I sent you a PM I wasn't attacking you just the term .. Don't go hide everyone has something to offer on here.. Waltquote]ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
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Dave I sent you a PM I wasn't attacking you just the term .. Don't go hide everyone has something to offer on here.. Waltquote]ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I think the problem with hunting isn't about hunting big bucks....its worrying about why others hunt. Some hunt for meat, and resent others for hunting big bucks and missing what hunting is all about. Big buck hunters resent meat hunters for shooting anything that walks. Bowhunters resent rifle hunters for the stereotype of being unsafe and shooting anything that walks. Rifle hunters resent bowhunters for having a MUCH longer season. Archery hunters resent crossbow hunters for not partaking in "real" archery. Dog hunters are basically resented by everyone.....baiters are cheating....the list goes on.
It isn't just big racks....it's envy from all sides. Hunting will never be struck down from the outside, it will simply impode and slowly be chipped away. Many say bowhunting or deer season will never be taken...right now no, but they won't start with the popular seasons...They start by eliminating Dove seasons, NJ bear season, CA cougar season, etc....hunting with hounds, hunting over bait...they will exploit the quarrels and differences among us until slowly nearly all hunting could be done away with. The funny part is, depending on how a movement is worded to ban a certain aspect of hunting, it can often gain a LOT of support by, get this, hunters.
Calling others out for hunting for the wrong reasons, is well, a slippery slope. If some guy wants to hunt solo and only chooses to hunt big bucks...so what...let him be. He isn't missing what deer hunting is all about just because he doesn't partake in deer camps or comraderie of hunting....he is just missing out on what YOU deem as what hunting is all about. And vice versa.
I agree hunting is about the experience more so than the end product....but is someone who thinks otherwise wrong?
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02-03-2009 | 06:35 AM
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RE: Hornography -
ORIGINAL: stikbow26
Horn porn or what ever you want to call it makes me mad when I here that term!!! Why can it not be that someone just wants to up there game to a level that is at the top??? Some guysplay football when in high school and are happy on there last game of there senior year to just play flag football with friends on sunday while others drive is to put there selfs through college and others to be the best they can be and go all the way to the pro's. So why can't some huntersthat have killed there share of little bucks and just want to push there selfs to there limits and be the best they can be without somebody calling them names and saying it must be because they don't have real jobs or it is only because they own the best property and have managed it and I could go there and kill a big buck there. The reason Lee & Tiff went to IA and not NC is a no brainer you go where the big ones are, you don't go to a trout pond and hope or expect to catch a monster shark?? Some guys just give up more than others right or wrong I don't know. I have been married for 15 years to my awesome wife and besides getting married in Vegas we have not taken a vacation togather because all my timeoff is spent on hunting and filming and she knows how much it means to me and doesn't complain. I don't hang out in bars or smoke or spend all my money on beer and I save all year just to hunt as much as I do does that make me a bad person or just a horn porn guy?? No I love the time I spend with my daughter hunting and my buddies but I also give up more than the average guy because he wants to take his wife and kids to fun park but that is him his prioritiesare with his family or work or what ever. So don't run down the guy that wants to give it his all and hold out for the big ones and spend all the time he can doing it because you can't or wont at this time.. Walt
Horn porn or what ever you want to call it makes me mad when I here that term!!! Why can it not be that someone just wants to up there game to a level that is at the top??? Some guysplay football when in high school and are happy on there last game of there senior year to just play flag football with friends on sunday while others drive is to put there selfs through college and others to be the best they can be and go all the way to the pro's. So why can't some huntersthat have killed there share of little bucks and just want to push there selfs to there limits and be the best they can be without somebody calling them names and saying it must be because they don't have real jobs or it is only because they own the best property and have managed it and I could go there and kill a big buck there. The reason Lee & Tiff went to IA and not NC is a no brainer you go where the big ones are, you don't go to a trout pond and hope or expect to catch a monster shark?? Some guys just give up more than others right or wrong I don't know. I have been married for 15 years to my awesome wife and besides getting married in Vegas we have not taken a vacation togather because all my timeoff is spent on hunting and filming and she knows how much it means to me and doesn't complain. I don't hang out in bars or smoke or spend all my money on beer and I save all year just to hunt as much as I do does that make me a bad person or just a horn porn guy?? No I love the time I spend with my daughter hunting and my buddies but I also give up more than the average guy because he wants to take his wife and kids to fun park but that is him his prioritiesare with his family or work or what ever. So don't run down the guy that wants to give it his all and hold out for the big ones and spend all the time he can doing it because you can't or wont at this time.. Walt
Walt- It's time to pay your dues. Maybe it's time to ease up on the the hunting just a bit this upcoming season and suprise the wife with a nice vacation for the two of you. She deserves it.
02-03-2009 | 09:36 AM
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RE: Hornography -
I couldn't agree with this more! Yes, my main goal when I go bowhunting is to try to kill the biggest buck that I can. I love big whitetail antlers, I won't lie about that. I'm still on my search for "the big one". I have spent around $20,000 going to Alberta to try to kill my dream buck, and have not done it yet.
I have been chastised, and brow beaten for this kind of spending. Not to mention what I've heard about the use of a guide, which you must have by law to hunt in Canada. You know what though? Even though my results have been meager (I've only killed 2 small bucks up there in 4hunts), I've collected hunting memories that many hunters couldn't even imagine. This past season I missed a shot at a 150"+ buck (my biggest yet), one of MANY big bucks that I'veSEEN up there in the last four years.
Also, this season I saw rut activity that I could have only dreamed of! I saw 10 different bucks (some that I got video of) by 1:15PMin one day! I've seen moose/coyotes up there as well. It's the WHOLE experience in that beautiful countrythat makes the hunt. I don't have to kill a big buckup there to say my hunt was a success (it does help).I have many pictures to prove this too. Attitude is everything!
I have been chastised, and brow beaten for this kind of spending. Not to mention what I've heard about the use of a guide, which you must have by law to hunt in Canada. You know what though? Even though my results have been meager (I've only killed 2 small bucks up there in 4hunts), I've collected hunting memories that many hunters couldn't even imagine. This past season I missed a shot at a 150"+ buck (my biggest yet), one of MANY big bucks that I'veSEEN up there in the last four years.
Also, this season I saw rut activity that I could have only dreamed of! I saw 10 different bucks (some that I got video of) by 1:15PMin one day! I've seen moose/coyotes up there as well. It's the WHOLE experience in that beautiful countrythat makes the hunt. I don't have to kill a big buckup there to say my hunt was a success (it does help
).I have many pictures to prove this too. Attitude is everything!
02-03-2009 | 01:08 PM
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RE: Hornography -
IAhuntr, I can't ease up it is not in me hunting is truely my life, But I did promice her I would take her on a long weekend some where this year. But you see we are on the road hunting and filming about 30-40 days every year and every year I say we will kill out early so then I can save some vacation time and we can go some where nice but you know those darn bucks justdon't get it. It always goes right down to the last few days..But just so I don't sound to heartless I should tell you that while my step daughter was growing up she was a national gymnast so they traveled all around the nation for meets while I worked and hunted so this is pay back now.. Walt
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