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Old 01-11-2009 | 12:20 PM
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The answer Greg is NONE,but I am also thinking that a fixed blade broadhead becomes less forgiving in flight at greater speeds.A head that isn't perfectly aligned will be magnified at greater speeds.
TFOX, I've been doing this for a pretty long time. I have always used fixed blade broad heads and have found that they group really well as long as I keep the speed around 275 fps. I took my old speed bow (321 fps) and added a heavier hunting arrow and got the speed down to 275 fps @ 64 lbs. XX78 2413 w/85 gr. BH. I believe the arrow weighs 445 gr, finished. They group beautifully.

I've been using Wasp SST hammers for the last 12 years because they are a tough, quality head and they spin test amazingly well. I only have to mess with about 1 out of 24.

Also, by limiting my speed to 275 fps, the 4 pins on my fixed pin sight (which I prefer) are not tightly packed together. The spacing is just right for seeing the target.
I've been that way too Greg but my speed was always 285 fps this way the bow stayed in spec for ASA shooting. I'd set my rig up for ASA and shoot both ASA and IBO with it, throw on broadheads and hunt. My Allegiance was the first bow I hunted with over 300fps. I was shooting Muzzy and Snypers beautifully out of it.

My 82nd can shoot 340 fps if I wanted it too, for 3D I was sending them downrange at 327 fps but when it came time to set it up for hunting I went with a semi heavy arrow at 280fps. It's all I needed.
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Old 01-11-2009 | 12:22 PM
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When you shoot 60# bows at 28" draw you don't have to worry about unshootable speeds[8D]

I still get a laugh at people that think their way is the only way.
Heavy arrows vs. Light arrows
Fast bows vs. Slower bows
On & On & On

In the last twelve months I havekilled gamewith arrows weighing less than 330 grains, but I have alsokilled gamewith arrows weighing over 500 grains.

I've killed game with a bow shooting 306fps and I've killed game with a bow shooting only 232fps.

Is one superior to the other in all hunting situations? Not in my eyes. Each animal, each area can take a slightly different setup to be optimum.

Don't tell a guy stalking Antelope in New Mexico that he is shooting too fast of a bow or too light of an arrow if you have never been there, done that.

Bottom line is there are more than one way to Git-R-Done than Your way (whoever You are). If it's not broke don't fix it!, but don't hesitate to try something new. You might just like it.

I shoot feathers and Love them. IMHO they are the best choice for me, but Blazers, QS SpeedHunters, and other vanes work very well and may well be the best choice for You. I test lots of equipment in the offseason to find what's best for Me. I may suggest that someone try feathers, but I won't ever say that Blazers, QS Speedhunters won't Git-R-Done!![8D]

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Old 01-11-2009 | 12:46 PM
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Just a thought and I could be wrong but is it the speed of an unbalanced BH or the spin rate of the shaft that causes it to fly wrong? When I was young and did a bit of machining you could true up a piece of unbalanced steel at low RPM, if you went to a higher RPM it would try and throw the lathe apart. With my sons arrow we make them ourselves and I reduced the angle of the 2inch blazers till I found that point where the arrows fly best.He has no trouble grouping out to 40m and I get him to aim at different dots on the target because he cuts flights off. His specs are about 60lbs, 470g two blade at about 292fps.
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Old 01-11-2009 | 02:02 PM
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As for broadhead flight, accuracy comes in the setup, tuning and fletch. The quicker you get your arrow spinning out of your bow, the sooner and quicker it stabilizes in flight regardless of it's flight speed.

But,you do agree that all little imperfection become much more magnified at greater speeds,therefore,forgiveness has been compromised at greater speeds?
This is my line of thinking. Any little imperfection in form or aim will have a deteriorating effect on accuracy BEFORE the arrow leaves the bow. It is magnified with the "speed" bows.

How many 320+ fps bows do you see at the indoor nationals or the Vegas shoot?
Of course none, why on earth would one. Fixed yardage is fixed yardage. One could shoot the slowest bow in the world if she's dead on and score here. Speed means absolutely nothing in fixed ranged target shooting.
It is a well know fact that the higher the speed, the more finicky the bow can be.

If you have good form, you can shoot any bow - accurately. Slower bows are easier to be more consistently accurate with.

I shot my IBO bow for a couple of 300 rounds once and mustered a 51x 300 with it but I averaged 54x's with my target bow and had a few 57x's with it.

I guess what I mean't to say is that the slower setups are more forgiving.
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Old 01-11-2009 | 02:07 PM
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I've been that way too Greg but my speed was always 285 fps this way the bow stayed in spec for ASA shooting. I'd set my rig up for ASA and shoot both ASA and IBO with it, throw on broadheads and hunt. My Allegiance was the first bow I hunted with over 300fps. I was shooting Muzzy and Snypers beautifully out of it.

My 82nd can shoot 340 fps if I wanted it too, for 3D I was sending them downrange at 327 fps but when it came time to set it up for hunting I went with a semi heavy arrow at 280fps. It's all I needed.
I've always hunted with last season's 3d rig and turned turned the new one into a hunting bow after 3d season was over. That way one can justify owning several bows!!
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