Please explain the new Mathews bows?
11-19-2008, 10:36 AM
#51
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Dopler
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot.
11-19-2008, 10:39 AM
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
Ding ding ding...
Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot.
ORIGINAL: Dopler
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot.
What are stock strings made of for most companies now?
That is sweet about gainin that much on the Bowtech.
11-19-2008, 11:06 AM
#53
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
correct me if Im wrong, but can't it work to the opposite effect as well? Don't 452x strings slow your bow down a few fps since they are heavier? That's what I have read, never have looked into it.
What are stock strings made of for most companies now?
That is sweet about gainin that much on the Bowtech.
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
Ding ding ding...
Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot.
ORIGINAL: Dopler
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.
Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot.
What are stock strings made of for most companies now?
That is sweet about gainin that much on the Bowtech.
11-19-2008, 12:14 PM
#54
Fork Horn
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
did ya just skip the "and the background research" line? Also, I guess I should have clarified more, with the guy I met (and now work for) it was more a person/shop commitment as it was a brand commitment.
Maybe so, but first impressions last a lifetime and when I first started shooting I got more "shoot and see what you like" from BT fans and more "get a mathews" from the mathews boys. Oh well though, its all just personal preference
ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter
What did you expect a BowTech dealer to tell you, buy a Mathews? BowTech's are good bows, but why take someone's word for it - shoot them all, then decide on the one that best fits YOU.
What did you expect a BowTech dealer to tell you, buy a Mathews? BowTech's are good bows, but why take someone's word for it - shoot them all, then decide on the one that best fits YOU.
By the way, BT fans as you put it, are just as "abrassive" asany other--especially in this forum!
I shoot Mathews, butI'm planning to shoot all Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech 2009 models, and the one that fits the best, is the one I'll be shooting next year. I think if you don't try'em all out, then you're sort of cheating yourself, and even youeluded to that fact when you said not shooting a Mathews prior to purchasing the BT may have been a mistake.
Personally, I haven't shot a BT yet, but I did handle a Guardian that a guy was shooting at the range, and although, it felt a little heavy for my taste, it was definitely one of the quietest bows I've ever heard!
11-19-2008, 03:50 PM
#56
Fork Horn
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
All I know is...my shop got one of the new 340IBO bows in....and he shot his hunting arrow through it, today. The one he chrono'd was a 29" (instead of a 30")....and the arrow weight was 6gr over IBO.
298fps.
298fps.
LOL I get that out of my DIAMOND MARQUIS @ 29" 61# with a 28.5" arrow...
11-22-2008, 10:15 PM
#57
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
All I know is...my shop got one of the new 340IBO bows in....and he shot his hunting arrow through it, today. The one he chrono'd was a 29" (instead of a 30")....and the arrow weight was 6gr over IBO.
298fps.
All I know is...my shop got one of the new 340IBO bows in....and he shot his hunting arrow through it, today. The one he chrono'd was a 29" (instead of a 30")....and the arrow weight was 6gr over IBO.
298fps.
11-22-2008, 10:19 PM
#58
Fork Horn
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
[quote]I contacted the local Mathews dealer, which is owned by my cousin's father-in-law, and they said the new Reezin 6.5 set to 71lbs chrono'd @ 315 with a 29" shaft weighing 350 grains. [/quote]
Mind you thats probably bare string. No cat whiskers/leeches no peep no strong loop no kisser no brass knock knocking point. These new mathews bows will probably shoot like an 82nd airborne except for their hyped numbers.
Mind you thats probably bare string. No cat whiskers/leeches no peep no strong loop no kisser no brass knock knocking point. These new mathews bows will probably shoot like an 82nd airborne except for their hyped numbers.
11-23-2008, 04:24 PM
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
I shot one today with a fletcher peep in it, d-loop and a prong rest, basically a shop bow. It was a 29", 6.5 Reezin set at 60.5lbs.,it was a 50-60 lb bow. I shot my 400 grain Axis hunting arrow though the graph at 282-284 about 12 times in a row. I shot it 12 times to ensure I was getting into the wall consistently.
I then fired my hunting bow, an '07 Vectrix which I have never chrono'dsince I bought it in July 07 [8D]. It's set at 64lbs, 28" draw cams, d-loop, superpeep, truball speedballs on the string. It shot the same arrow at 270-272 10 shots in a row.
Not a good enough reezin for me to buy the Reezin. Considering that I'll get a 28" bow, and lose 8-10 fps right there. And my Vectrix set at 64lbs, drew and fired a lot smoother than the Reezin did at 60......to me anyway. I don't really see me gaining any fps worth sacrificing the smooth draw and release I like to have for myself in a hunting bow. I liked the Reezin, but just not enough to dump the cash into it. I understand to get speed you gotta cam the bow, but I"m not a speed freak, so that's not a selling point to me.
I then fired my hunting bow, an '07 Vectrix which I have never chrono'dsince I bought it in July 07 [8D]. It's set at 64lbs, 28" draw cams, d-loop, superpeep, truball speedballs on the string. It shot the same arrow at 270-272 10 shots in a row.
Not a good enough reezin for me to buy the Reezin. Considering that I'll get a 28" bow, and lose 8-10 fps right there. And my Vectrix set at 64lbs, drew and fired a lot smoother than the Reezin did at 60......to me anyway. I don't really see me gaining any fps worth sacrificing the smooth draw and release I like to have for myself in a hunting bow. I liked the Reezin, but just not enough to dump the cash into it. I understand to get speed you gotta cam the bow, but I"m not a speed freak, so that's not a selling point to me.
11-23-2008, 06:57 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Mathews have always exagerated the speed of their bows. They are good bows nonetheless.
Bow companies test the speed of their bows at IBO which is70#, 30" draw, 350 grain arrow. As a thumb rule, you'll lose 8-10 fps for each inch you reduce the draw length. Also, big speed robbers are the following: Peep sights with rubber hose attachments you'll lose 10-15 fps with one of these. String loop, 3-5 fps, metalstring loop, 12-18 fps,Stand alone peeps like the metapeep 3-5 fps (you'll gain in veryrare occasion if you don't have speed nocks on close to the cam(s)).String silencers, 1-2 fps for each one added (the closer to the cams = less speed reduction but also less noise reduction). A simple brass nock in the center string location will cost youabout 1 fps each (brass nocks close to the cam can actually increase speed by a few fps). You will also gain about 2 fps on averagefor each pound of pullyou add. On average, you'll also lose about4-5 fps for every 10 grains ofstring or arrow weight you add over 350 grains.
I'll use myPSE Dream Seasonas an example. PSE rates it at 340 fps at IBO. I have 31"draw andI have 73#'s of pull= 8fps extra for draw and 6 fps extra for pull bringingit to 352 fps IBO. I have a 391 grain arrow, two nocks, one meta peep whcih adds about 50 grains extraover the IBO weight which according to this formula, my bow should be getting about 332 fps. My bow is actually getting 327 fps so it's right there with this formula. This is a good way to figure out if you bow is performing as it should be.
Other things to be aware ofare aftermarket cable slides, I've tried some that slow a bow as much as 20 fps. Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.It's good to chrono your bow before and after before you make any change to your bowto make sure that what you're doing is not adverselyaffecting it.
Good additions that will quiet your bow withoutrobbing speed are. 1. Stabilizers. 2. Cable silencers 3. STS systemsand 4 limbs silencers. Another trick that will add speed (2fps or so in some cases)is to wrap your solid limbs in camo hunting fleece, it reduces vibration and adds a little speed.
And yes, I am a completenut when it comes to maximizingbow efficiency. It's an off season hobby of mine.
Bow companies test the speed of their bows at IBO which is70#, 30" draw, 350 grain arrow. As a thumb rule, you'll lose 8-10 fps for each inch you reduce the draw length. Also, big speed robbers are the following: Peep sights with rubber hose attachments you'll lose 10-15 fps with one of these. String loop, 3-5 fps, metalstring loop, 12-18 fps,Stand alone peeps like the metapeep 3-5 fps (you'll gain in veryrare occasion if you don't have speed nocks on close to the cam(s)).String silencers, 1-2 fps for each one added (the closer to the cams = less speed reduction but also less noise reduction). A simple brass nock in the center string location will cost youabout 1 fps each (brass nocks close to the cam can actually increase speed by a few fps). You will also gain about 2 fps on averagefor each pound of pullyou add. On average, you'll also lose about4-5 fps for every 10 grains ofstring or arrow weight you add over 350 grains.
I'll use myPSE Dream Seasonas an example. PSE rates it at 340 fps at IBO. I have 31"draw andI have 73#'s of pull= 8fps extra for draw and 6 fps extra for pull bringingit to 352 fps IBO. I have a 391 grain arrow, two nocks, one meta peep whcih adds about 50 grains extraover the IBO weight which according to this formula, my bow should be getting about 332 fps. My bow is actually getting 327 fps so it's right there with this formula. This is a good way to figure out if you bow is performing as it should be.
Other things to be aware ofare aftermarket cable slides, I've tried some that slow a bow as much as 20 fps. Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.It's good to chrono your bow before and after before you make any change to your bowto make sure that what you're doing is not adverselyaffecting it.
Good additions that will quiet your bow withoutrobbing speed are. 1. Stabilizers. 2. Cable silencers 3. STS systemsand 4 limbs silencers. Another trick that will add speed (2fps or so in some cases)is to wrap your solid limbs in camo hunting fleece, it reduces vibration and adds a little speed.
And yes, I am a completenut when it comes to maximizingbow efficiency. It's an off season hobby of mine.
