I picked up a used darton maverick for my son this year.Well, I have since handed him my Mathews and I am shooting the Maverick.The CPS is really smooth,nice valley, no creeping and yanking your arm out of socket(hello mathews).fast enough and very shootable.Even with the short BH it is stacking the arrows.According to Len they will have a new bow out for next year with a taller brace and more speed.The Hoyt system is very similar and shoots well.I just don' t like the tech riser.The Pat dually has no valley.I just don' t like it for a hunting bow.They also have some issues with quality and cam lean(ask rackattack).I' ve seen more than a few for sale lately.The hybrid cam seems to be were we are heading.Based on that Hoyt seems to be the hot ticket this year.Mathews has painted themselves into a corner with the single cam.As more people see the plusses of the hybrid,they could be in for some serious competion.

CB

Here ya go BigCountry!
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It was hard for me to swallow at first too! I shoot an Ultratec. I look at it this way , it' s a win win situation for both Hoyt and Darton. Hoyt has the name recognition to really sell this product and when people start hearing of the Darton CPS system which is more affordable , it will benefit both companies.

All the bowtech guys will not admit that HOYT IS the ONLY king of the hill this year, it' s not both of them. Just admit it guys, the cam 1/2 and the razortec is creating WAY more buzz than bowtech. Last year it was bowtech/mathews, this year HOYT stands alone.

Bowfanatic, with enough butter and sugar, crow is not really that bad!

I did see that release last week, and although it never states that money was involved......?

I know one thing, regardless of where the technology came from, the new cam.5 bows are superior to anything hoyt has had to date.

If they are close enough to the Darton system to warrant this type of exitement, that tells me that the Darton system is fantastic.

Another thing...it is nice to see that these two companys handled the situation like adults. Unlike another company that you can take a guess at.

I hear a crow calling...time for supper![]

Big Country had better take another look at who' s dominating these tournaments, It looks to me like Mathews has taken about 70% of all top ten finishers. Hoyt may win one now and then but Mathews is on pace for another full page add describing how they destroyed the competition once again!
I guess people see what they want to see!
No Offense but just the facts, Please
This is the No Spin Zone!

I' ve shot a few now...the new Hoyt is nice...but I' m not hoyt fan. Botech (the Mathews copiers) don' t thrill me. I bought the LX because its a perfect balance of speed and accuracy that is forgiving. Sure...there are faster bows and more accurate ones maybe. But the faster ones are not as forgiving and the more accurate ones are not as fast. I didn' t go for speed. I went for consistancy with a little speed. I' m happy.

Tried the rest...now I bought the best....for me that is.

First, you have to define what makes the company king. It can' t be any one individual' s favorite. That' s only one person. It has to be based on everyone buying bows. If it' s sales volume, then that' s easy, if you can get any of them to release that info. If it' s not sales volume, then who cares? I mean if it' s the most innovative bow in the world and other bows are selling at higher rates, then which is really more desireable, and which is really king? Consumers pick who is king, with their wallets.

Does Bowtech sell more bows than Hoyt, or Mathews? Maybe PSE or Martin sells the most. If that' s the case, then they are king. Regardless if you think one of these doesn' t make an innovative bow, the proof is in the sales.

Straightarrow is correct. It cannot be based upon one or two peoples' opinions or even an entire single website " cult" who tries to promote one line. It has to be based upon overall sales across the World as to which bow rises to the top of the heap as undisputed " King of bows" . Fact is the USA is only one country, even tho we are a superpower. There are many others who shoot all across the World in different target and hunting formats, and you might be surprised at what they feel are the best bows going. Remember, they all count also.

Based on that, (and if the bashing by other companies' trend is any indication) Hoyt is making some serious waves this year with their cam and 1/2 hybrid. I also do not know what the total overall sales numbers of each major company are this year as yet, but when you find one that is backed up solid with orders that they cannot fill in 3 months or more, that does tell you a little something about the kinds of sales numbers they are generating. Just my two cents. Pinwheel 12

I just read another thread on a different forum, that said Mathews was number one in sales dollars (make sense), however PSE was first in number of bows (I' m sure they sell a lot more low end bow which Mathews doesn' t market). Hoyt was number three. I' m not sure these figures are accurate, but the person did seem to know what they were talking about and backed up his statistics with some references. This post suggested that Mathew' s sales were substantially higher than Hoyts, which were substantially higher than Parkers or Bowtechs.

So, if we define it by numbers of bows, it appears PSE in King of the Hill. If we define it by sales volume, then Mathews is King of the Hill. Who knows, by next year it could be Hoyt if their sales are on a steep rise.

SA-

Gotta have it calculated on total number of bows sold IMHO. Mathews will definately win on dollar figures, no question. I also agree, PSE sells a boatload of the low-end stuff and generates a ton of income each year this way. IMHO more companies should offer low-end stuff, especially if they are hurting on their top end lines. PSE opened up AR this year because of just that, the only thing keeping them going was the low-end bows, really. Now they have their high-end going good again, even tho under a different name. (they' re still built in the same factory)

Like I said, I don' t know about the overall sales numbers, getting an accurate assessment can only come from certified federal tax documents with claim of sales numbers for the year, and I highly doubt any of us are going to get our hands on that type of info anytime soon, LOL. Other than that it is all speculation of whatever they feel like telling us. Someone posted 33 million bows for one company last year--There aren' t that many shooters combined in the entire world I don' t believe, so you can see how easy it is for them to get a little extravagant with their numbers. It' s all a smokescreen. I figure if they do 100,000 they are smokin.

Buy what you like, shoot what works for you best, and forget about the hype, bashing, etc. All of the rest of this stuff is just " fluff" . Good shooting, Pinwheel 12