I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning. Police Phone call page 9.
10-09-2008, 12:24 PM
#41
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
You don't know me very well I guess.
I just don't take kindly to someone trying to intimidate me, gun or not.
(Here's a hint too.........I keep .357 licensed reasons in my pack why nobody is going to pin me in a tree with a pistol)
In PA as I understand it you have to have a reasonable ability to retreat from such a situation.
If you are stuck up a tree with nowhere to go and someone is waving a gun at you? Got news for you.........if you truly feel threatened for your life you can shoot the guy.
IF you don't feel that level of threat then you should have the ability to push 3 little cell phone buttons and call the police.
If you've done neither you are either very easily scared, or exaggerating the level of threat.
You mean to tell me if you REALLY feel threatened by this individual you are going to do NOTHING? and hope he and the situation goes away and you'll come back some other happy sunshiny day to hunt there? LOL
This is 21st century central Pa we're talking about not the19th centuryfrontier America where we have to worry about outlaws and mask bandits. The guy has a home somewhere and a life and he needs to be behind bars.
Stick up for yourself and call the cops even if it's after the fact.
Whether he realizes it or not, he was violated and had a crime commited against him, and a serious one at that. This wouldn't be taken lightly by the police.
My order of events in that tree would have been:
-Ask the guy what the hell he was doing........in some terms, choose whatever words you like (Maybe I wouldn't have called the gunweilding guy an assclown but I'd sure be thinking it. LOL)
-Cell phone in the other hand 911 dialed and finger over the SEND button
-The secondthe gun came out 911 would be dialed and my .357 would be in my right hand.(Not pointed at the guy or even visible unless I felt truly ready to kill someone in defense of my life..........waving you're own weapon could make a bad situation worse)
-I would advise the 911 dispatcher of my location with a description of the events as they are unfolding and inform 911 that I am licensed to carry and armed myself.
-With the footnote that they might want to hurry.
We have a 2nd amendment for a reason...we now have the right to carry a licensed concealed weapon as a bowhunter in PA for a reason.
Seems like today you're either someone willing to stand upto people who belong in jail...........or you're a victim.
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I agree, but then again, this is an easy stance to have hundreds of miles away without a gun pointed at you. People react differently to different situations. Like you said, you cant fear retaliation by turning in criminals.
But, I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would yell hey assclown i have the cops on the line to a whackjob pointing a pistol at you. Sorry, just dont buy it. Call cops yes, confront guy yes, tempt man pointing gun at you....no. While he most likely was trying to bully hunters out of an area, what if he was some doped up druggie? No one knows how that guy would react, something isnt right up in the noggin if he is walking around with a broken bow and pulling a pistol on people, why push the limits and see just how crazy the guy really is?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Since when did we become this pitiful neutered society where everyone is SOOOOOOOOO afraid of what the crazy person MIGHT do if we call the police /cause "problems" or turn them in?!
It's really quite sad that being afraid of retaliation empowers people like this to do whatever they want.
Who's to say he doesn't go out the same night and rob a convenience store with that gun and shoot the clerk?
For the love of God people get a pair, stand up for yourselves and do the right thing.
Brandishing a firearm at another person in PA is a SERIOUS crime.
The second the gun came out 911 would have been called on the phone........."hey assclown, guess what I have the state police on the line, why don't you just hang loose til' they get here." He's going to SHOOT you over a broken bow and you hunting where he doesn't like? Get real. He's trying to bully you out of your spot which is exactly what he did.
So what are you going to do NEXT time you go in there? cower in fear at every twig snap?
Seriously what the frig happened to the United States?
Since when did we become this pitiful neutered society where everyone is SOOOOOOOOO afraid of what the crazy person MIGHT do if we call the police /cause "problems" or turn them in?!
It's really quite sad that being afraid of retaliation empowers people like this to do whatever they want.
Who's to say he doesn't go out the same night and rob a convenience store with that gun and shoot the clerk?
For the love of God people get a pair, stand up for yourselves and do the right thing.
Brandishing a firearm at another person in PA is a SERIOUS crime.
The second the gun came out 911 would have been called on the phone........."hey assclown, guess what I have the state police on the line, why don't you just hang loose til' they get here." He's going to SHOOT you over a broken bow and you hunting where he doesn't like? Get real. He's trying to bully you out of your spot which is exactly what he did.
So what are you going to do NEXT time you go in there? cower in fear at every twig snap?
Seriously what the frig happened to the United States?
But, I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would yell hey assclown i have the cops on the line to a whackjob pointing a pistol at you. Sorry, just dont buy it. Call cops yes, confront guy yes, tempt man pointing gun at you....no. While he most likely was trying to bully hunters out of an area, what if he was some doped up druggie? No one knows how that guy would react, something isnt right up in the noggin if he is walking around with a broken bow and pulling a pistol on people, why push the limits and see just how crazy the guy really is?
I just don't take kindly to someone trying to intimidate me, gun or not.
(Here's a hint too.........I keep .357 licensed reasons in my pack why nobody is going to pin me in a tree with a pistol)
In PA as I understand it you have to have a reasonable ability to retreat from such a situation.
If you are stuck up a tree with nowhere to go and someone is waving a gun at you? Got news for you.........if you truly feel threatened for your life you can shoot the guy.
IF you don't feel that level of threat then you should have the ability to push 3 little cell phone buttons and call the police.
If you've done neither you are either very easily scared, or exaggerating the level of threat.
You mean to tell me if you REALLY feel threatened by this individual you are going to do NOTHING? and hope he and the situation goes away and you'll come back some other happy sunshiny day to hunt there? LOL
This is 21st century central Pa we're talking about not the19th centuryfrontier America where we have to worry about outlaws and mask bandits. The guy has a home somewhere and a life and he needs to be behind bars.
Stick up for yourself and call the cops even if it's after the fact.
Whether he realizes it or not, he was violated and had a crime commited against him, and a serious one at that. This wouldn't be taken lightly by the police.
My order of events in that tree would have been:
-Ask the guy what the hell he was doing........in some terms, choose whatever words you like (Maybe I wouldn't have called the gunweilding guy an assclown but I'd sure be thinking it. LOL)
-Cell phone in the other hand 911 dialed and finger over the SEND button
-The secondthe gun came out 911 would be dialed and my .357 would be in my right hand.(Not pointed at the guy or even visible unless I felt truly ready to kill someone in defense of my life..........waving you're own weapon could make a bad situation worse)
-I would advise the 911 dispatcher of my location with a description of the events as they are unfolding and inform 911 that I am licensed to carry and armed myself.
-With the footnote that they might want to hurry.
We have a 2nd amendment for a reason...we now have the right to carry a licensed concealed weapon as a bowhunter in PA for a reason.
Seems like today you're either someone willing to stand upto people who belong in jail...........or you're a victim.
I was just sayin that perched in a tree with only a bow, isnt a very safe place to be tempting some jackleg with a pistol by screaming hey assclown im callin the cops. Tough guy or not, that call is made in silence.
10-09-2008, 12:27 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: PA Hardwoods
OMG that is freaking nuts!!! Where are you at in Central PA Ryan? I live in Bellefonte just outside of State College. I agree with Rob you should have called the Cops and the PGC. The PGC may not be able to do anything but atleast they are aware then that there may be some possible wrongdoing going on in your area. I m sorry to hear about your hunt being ruined. That is a scary thing. I had sort of a similar encounter on State Forest Land near snow shoe a number of years back. Its not a fun feeling thats for sure.
OMG that is freaking nuts!!! Where are you at in Central PA Ryan? I live in Bellefonte just outside of State College. I agree with Rob you should have called the Cops and the PGC. The PGC may not be able to do anything but atleast they are aware then that there may be some possible wrongdoing going on in your area. I m sorry to hear about your hunt being ruined. That is a scary thing. I had sort of a similar encounter on State Forest Land near snow shoe a number of years back. Its not a fun feeling thats for sure.
ORIGINAL: OKbowhunter20
Exactly what I was thinking. Sadly we have way too much of that around here.
There are labs scatteredall over the woods in this area.
ORIGINAL: dstubb
Maybe there is a Meth Lab in the woods close by or something.
Maybe there is a Meth Lab in the woods close by or something.
There are labs scatteredall over the woods in this area.
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
Drawing a sidearm is an act of aggression and should be dealt with accordingly.
The moment he drew that pistol, he became a direct threat, especially because he was handling said firearm in what you describe as a "disorderly manner"...Add in the fact that he appeared ot be un-stable at this time....
You had a weapon....so why is this outcome not a different one ? I'm rather puzzled here.....flabbergasted, actually.
Drawing a sidearm is an act of aggression and should be dealt with accordingly.
The moment he drew that pistol, he became a direct threat, especially because he was handling said firearm in what you describe as a "disorderly manner"...Add in the fact that he appeared ot be un-stable at this time....
You had a weapon....so why is this outcome not a different one ? I'm rather puzzled here.....flabbergasted, actually.
ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter
I wouldn't of called the Law either, it's your word against his so he maybe would get a slap on the wrist is all. He'd sure know who turned him in and being that he's a shady character anyway, he'd do something in retaliation. Not worth it.
I'd do some investigating and find out who the dude is and take it from there. I think I'd freaked out on the spot and confronted him but who knows, he might just be crazy enough to shoot someone?? I'd asked him what he was so darn worked up about.
I wouldn't go back in there for sure.
I wouldn't of called the Law either, it's your word against his so he maybe would get a slap on the wrist is all. He'd sure know who turned him in and being that he's a shady character anyway, he'd do something in retaliation. Not worth it.
I'd do some investigating and find out who the dude is and take it from there. I think I'd freaked out on the spot and confronted him but who knows, he might just be crazy enough to shoot someone?? I'd asked him what he was so darn worked up about.
I wouldn't go back in there for sure.
ORIGINAL: bcvd45
you are the one who saw the bobcat eat the squirrel too right? You have had one crazy week. At least you are never bored
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you are the one who saw the bobcat eat the squirrel too right? You have had one crazy week. At least you are never bored
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For those of you who think i should have shot him with my bow.... WHAT IF I MISS?!?!? or better yet What if he's standing there in a foul mood with an arrow sticking in him? someone said what i was thinking was going to be happening, me dangling by my saftey strap.
Reguardless of what yall say, I can talk a tough game too, wait till it happens to you then its a different story. Reguardless my neighbor will be comming home in a little bit so I'll go talk to him about the situation.
Ryan.
10-09-2008, 12:27 PM
#43
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2006
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
Damn thats a tough situation. I would atleast call the cops. Confronting him about it might not be the best thing, expecially since he has a loaded gun, and your best option is a loaded bow. Maybe there really is a meth lab floating around, and he just wants you outta there, in my opinion my life is worth a lot more than one bow hunting spot. You gotta do something though, atleast talk to your cop-neighbor about it and atleast inform them that there is something going on.
A man will not shoot you over a hunting spot, but a guy thats trippin on whatever has no sense of reasoning, and should not be taken lightly.
A man will not shoot you over a hunting spot, but a guy thats trippin on whatever has no sense of reasoning, and should not be taken lightly.
10-09-2008, 12:28 PM
#44
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
If I had a pistol too, I'd climb down and probably confront the guy.
That's turning a bad situation into possibly a deadly one and now you've taken away your self defense stance.
You need to simply take a defensive position, call the cops, defend yourself IF NECESSARY and let the authorities sort it out.
Don't go anywhere near the guy armed or unarmed.......simply prepare yourself for the worst and react to it if necessary.
Getting down now requires you to RETREAT from the situation, and if it escalates to gunfire, YOU are the one who could wind up behind bars.
10-09-2008, 12:31 PM
#45
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
You don't know me very well I guess.
I just don't take kindly to someone trying to intimidate me, gun or not.
(Here's a hint too.........I keep .357 licensed reasons in my pack why nobody is going to pin me in a tree with a pistol)
In PA as I understand it you have to have a reasonable ability to retreat from such a situation.
If you are stuck up a tree with nowhere to go and someone is waving a gun at you? Got news for you.........if you truly feel threatened for your life you can shoot the guy.
IF you don't feel that level of threat then you should have the ability to push 3 little cell phone buttons and call the police.
If you've done neither you are either very easily scared, or exaggerating the level of threat.
You mean to tell me if you REALLY feel threatened by this individual you are going to do NOTHING? and hope he and the situation goes away and you'll come back some other happy sunshiny day to hunt there? LOL
This is 21st century central Pa we're talking about not the19th centuryfrontier America where we have to worry about outlaws and mask bandits. The guy has a home somewhere and a life and he needs to be behind bars.
Stick up for yourself and call the cops even if it's after the fact.
Whether he realizes it or not, he was violated and had a crime commited against him, and a serious one at that. This wouldn't be taken lightly by the police.
My order of events in that tree would have been:
-Ask the guy what the hell he was doing........in some terms, choose whatever words you like (Maybe I wouldn't have called the gunweilding guy an assclown but I'd sure be thinking it. LOL)
-Cell phone in the other hand 911 dialed and finger over the SEND button
-The secondthe gun came out 911 would be dialed and my .357 would be in my right hand.(Not pointed at the guy or even visible unless I felt truly ready to kill someone in defense of my life..........waving you're own weapon could make a bad situation worse)
-I would advise the 911 dispatcher of my location with a description of the events as they are unfolding and inform 911 that I am licensed to carry and armed myself.
-With the footnote that they might want to hurry.
We have a 2nd amendment for a reason...we now have the right to carry a licensed concealed weapon as a bowhunter in PA for a reason.
Seems like today you're either someone willing to stand upto people who belong in jail...........or you're a victim.
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I agree, but then again, this is an easy stance to have hundreds of miles away without a gun pointed at you. People react differently to different situations. Like you said, you cant fear retaliation by turning in criminals.
But, I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would yell hey assclown i have the cops on the line to a whackjob pointing a pistol at you. Sorry, just dont buy it. Call cops yes, confront guy yes, tempt man pointing gun at you....no. While he most likely was trying to bully hunters out of an area, what if he was some doped up druggie? No one knows how that guy would react, something isnt right up in the noggin if he is walking around with a broken bow and pulling a pistol on people, why push the limits and see just how crazy the guy really is?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Since when did we become this pitiful neutered society where everyone is SOOOOOOOOO afraid of what the crazy person MIGHT do if we call the police /cause "problems" or turn them in?!
It's really quite sad that being afraid of retaliation empowers people like this to do whatever they want.
Who's to say he doesn't go out the same night and rob a convenience store with that gun and shoot the clerk?
For the love of God people get a pair, stand up for yourselves and do the right thing.
Brandishing a firearm at another person in PA is a SERIOUS crime.
The second the gun came out 911 would have been called on the phone........."hey assclown, guess what I have the state police on the line, why don't you just hang loose til' they get here." He's going to SHOOT you over a broken bow and you hunting where he doesn't like? Get real. He's trying to bully you out of your spot which is exactly what he did.
So what are you going to do NEXT time you go in there? cower in fear at every twig snap?
Seriously what the frig happened to the United States?
Since when did we become this pitiful neutered society where everyone is SOOOOOOOOO afraid of what the crazy person MIGHT do if we call the police /cause "problems" or turn them in?!
It's really quite sad that being afraid of retaliation empowers people like this to do whatever they want.
Who's to say he doesn't go out the same night and rob a convenience store with that gun and shoot the clerk?
For the love of God people get a pair, stand up for yourselves and do the right thing.
Brandishing a firearm at another person in PA is a SERIOUS crime.
The second the gun came out 911 would have been called on the phone........."hey assclown, guess what I have the state police on the line, why don't you just hang loose til' they get here." He's going to SHOOT you over a broken bow and you hunting where he doesn't like? Get real. He's trying to bully you out of your spot which is exactly what he did.
So what are you going to do NEXT time you go in there? cower in fear at every twig snap?
Seriously what the frig happened to the United States?
But, I HIGHLY doubt ANYONE would yell hey assclown i have the cops on the line to a whackjob pointing a pistol at you. Sorry, just dont buy it. Call cops yes, confront guy yes, tempt man pointing gun at you....no. While he most likely was trying to bully hunters out of an area, what if he was some doped up druggie? No one knows how that guy would react, something isnt right up in the noggin if he is walking around with a broken bow and pulling a pistol on people, why push the limits and see just how crazy the guy really is?
I just don't take kindly to someone trying to intimidate me, gun or not.
(Here's a hint too.........I keep .357 licensed reasons in my pack why nobody is going to pin me in a tree with a pistol)
In PA as I understand it you have to have a reasonable ability to retreat from such a situation.
If you are stuck up a tree with nowhere to go and someone is waving a gun at you? Got news for you.........if you truly feel threatened for your life you can shoot the guy.
IF you don't feel that level of threat then you should have the ability to push 3 little cell phone buttons and call the police.
If you've done neither you are either very easily scared, or exaggerating the level of threat.
You mean to tell me if you REALLY feel threatened by this individual you are going to do NOTHING? and hope he and the situation goes away and you'll come back some other happy sunshiny day to hunt there? LOL
This is 21st century central Pa we're talking about not the19th centuryfrontier America where we have to worry about outlaws and mask bandits. The guy has a home somewhere and a life and he needs to be behind bars.
Stick up for yourself and call the cops even if it's after the fact.
Whether he realizes it or not, he was violated and had a crime commited against him, and a serious one at that. This wouldn't be taken lightly by the police.
My order of events in that tree would have been:
-Ask the guy what the hell he was doing........in some terms, choose whatever words you like (Maybe I wouldn't have called the gunweilding guy an assclown but I'd sure be thinking it. LOL)
-Cell phone in the other hand 911 dialed and finger over the SEND button
-The secondthe gun came out 911 would be dialed and my .357 would be in my right hand.(Not pointed at the guy or even visible unless I felt truly ready to kill someone in defense of my life..........waving you're own weapon could make a bad situation worse)
-I would advise the 911 dispatcher of my location with a description of the events as they are unfolding and inform 911 that I am licensed to carry and armed myself.
-With the footnote that they might want to hurry.
We have a 2nd amendment for a reason...we now have the right to carry a licensed concealed weapon as a bowhunter in PA for a reason.
Seems like today you're either someone willing to stand upto people who belong in jail...........or you're a victim.
Sometimes peopleneed to take matters in their own hands to protect themselves. I like your plan to do so. These people will never leave people alone if they continue to get away with it. In Illinois it is illegal to carry a gun with you while bow hunting and we don't have CCW. All I can tell you is that this person would get a rude awakening in the county I hunt if he waved a gun at the hunters.
10-09-2008, 12:31 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
Ohh and its easy to say hey I would do this and I would do that, when your 30. And you've thought of situations like that I never in my wildest dream pictured me EVER getting a gun pulled on me! seriously guys, I'm 18 for crying out loud I shoot him and go to jail (possable) How do you think a 6'3 137lb inmate will make out I very seriously doubt I'll be the one shanking people! come on guys, This situation could have been much much worse maybe I did the right thing by sitting there having a heart attack and not setting this dude off!
Too many coulda woulda shoulda's to this one like i said I have no idea what was the right or wrong thing to do I just went with what I had
Ryan.
Too many coulda woulda shoulda's to this one like i said I have no idea what was the right or wrong thing to do I just went with what I had
Ryan.
10-09-2008, 12:38 PM
#48
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
That's a mistake.
That's turning a bad situation into possibly a deadly one and now you've taken away your self defense stance.
You need to simply take a defensive position, call the cops, defend yourself IF NECESSARY and let the authorities sort it out.
Don't go anywhere near the guy armed or unarmed.......simply prepare yourself for the worst and react to it if necessary.
Getting down now requires you to RETREAT from the situation, and if it escalates to gunfire, YOU are the one who could wind up behind bars.
If I had a pistol too, I'd climb down and probably confront the guy.
That's turning a bad situation into possibly a deadly one and now you've taken away your self defense stance.
You need to simply take a defensive position, call the cops, defend yourself IF NECESSARY and let the authorities sort it out.
Don't go anywhere near the guy armed or unarmed.......simply prepare yourself for the worst and react to it if necessary.
Getting down now requires you to RETREAT from the situation, and if it escalates to gunfire, YOU are the one who could wind up behind bars.
luckily, I hunt private land with sole permission....GW is called in that situation for me. I dont bowhunt witha gun readily available (back at truck), so retreating IS my option of choice. I call the authorities...and get the hell out of there. I dont want to be a sitting duck for that ticking time bomb to go off on. Hunting isnt something to loose a life over. Id head back to truck, call GW/local cops on way to truck and explain the tresspasser/gun waver...wait for them to show up and let them handle it. Tax money pays them for a reason, to deal with these situations for us.
We are agreeing, except on the part of yelling at the guy. Why risk it?
EDIT: just saw your step by step revision....there isnt a better way to handle such a situation. exactly how I would handle it in your shoes as well. Asking him what he is doin without setting him off.
How would you handle the above situation without a pistol of your own though?
10-09-2008, 12:38 PM
#49
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
You'd just have to insert an "A" into your name: RAyan !!!
Who knows, your new prison boyfriend may be the son of a farmer with some really good huntingproperty
How do you think a 6'3 137lb inmate will make out
Who knows, your new prison boyfriend may be the son of a farmer with some really good huntingproperty
Ryan.
10-09-2008, 12:40 PM
#50
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2007
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RE: I had a guy pull a gun on me this morning.
ORIGINAL: my7pointmonster
Ohh and its easy to say hey I would do this and I would do that, when your 30. And you've thought of situations like that I never in my wildest dream pictured me EVER getting a gun pulled on me! seriously guys, I'm 18 for crying out loud I shoot him and go to jail (possable) How do you think a 6'3 137lb inmate will make out I very seriously doubt I'll be the one shanking people! come on guys, This situation could have been much much worse maybe I did the right thing by sitting there having a heart attack and not setting this dude off!
Too many coulda woulda shoulda's to this one like i said I have no idea what was the right or wrong thing to do I just went with what I had
Ryan.
Ohh and its easy to say hey I would do this and I would do that, when your 30. And you've thought of situations like that I never in my wildest dream pictured me EVER getting a gun pulled on me! seriously guys, I'm 18 for crying out loud I shoot him and go to jail (possable) How do you think a 6'3 137lb inmate will make out I very seriously doubt I'll be the one shanking people! come on guys, This situation could have been much much worse maybe I did the right thing by sitting there having a heart attack and not setting this dude off!
Too many coulda woulda shoulda's to this one like i said I have no idea what was the right or wrong thing to do I just went with what I had
Ryan.
Iown three retail stores and have been robbed. I know the feeling you had. All I can say is "Never again."