Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
10-04-2008, 06:52 PM
#41
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
I call BS.
I hope like hell people are not reusing blades without sharpening or replacing. I truly do.
vs, your way off and this thread is really teaching misinformation if anyone thinks dull blades are fine. [:-] [&:]
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
the one with the dull blades. because it tears the flesh.
the one with the dull blades. because it tears the flesh.
I hope like hell people are not reusing blades without sharpening or replacing. I truly do.
vs, your way off and this thread is really teaching misinformation if anyone thinks dull blades are fine. [:-] [&:]
One guy I really like and respect a lot is Bob Mizek, an engineer with New Archery Products, maker of some of the finest broadheads in the history of bowhunting, including the Thunderhead, Crossfire, and the mechanical Spitfire. Bob is pretty laid back, but just because he plays a pretty mean rock & roll guitar doesn't take away from the fact that he is smart as a whip and really knows broadhead design and function. Here's what he said about the topic.
"I've had the chance to speak with a lot of bowhunters during the past year, both in person on hunts, in stores, and on the phone," Mizek said. "I have noticed a new and disturbing trend. Many new bowhunters do not understand the importance of using broadheads with razor-sharp blades. They do not understand that a sharp blade not only makes a cleaner, more humane cut; it also makes a larger cut because dull blades stretch tissue, not cut it.
"One evening I met a fellow hunter that formerly used mechanicals and changed to a new fixed-blade head because he felt he only needed to rinse them off with water and put them back in the quiver after shooting one, two, or three deer. He never even looked at the edge!,"
Mizek continued. "It was not sharp enough to break skin. He figured as long as he recovered the deer it was still 'OK' to use them this way. Another hunter in the group was re-sharpening Thunderhead blades with a kitchen knife sharpener. Both were more concerned about saving a few bucks on broadheads than having scalpel-sharp edges. These guys weren't poor 'Bubbas' either. Both had top-of-the-line 2005 Mathews Switchback bows, drop-away arrow rests, carbon arrows, pricey carbon scent-adsorbing clothing, and $35K pickup trucks. They were far from broke.
"These guys were kind enough to let me explain how NAP's testing in ballistic gelatin has clearly shown how sharp broadheads produce a bigger wound channel," Mizek said. "Then they asked why no one talks about the importance of sharp broadheads. I wondered what planet they had been living on."
There isn't enough space here to describe how blood clotting works, or tell you why clean, neat cuts bleed and bleed and take seemingly forever to stop while an irregular wound that has been ripped or torn open clots relatively quickly, plugging itself up with jellied blood. Let me simply say this. You should never, ever head afield without broadhead blades so sharp they scare you. Doing so is easy, quick, and inexpensive. If you use replaceable-blade heads, simply replace your practice blades with fresh ones from a cheap package of replacement blades. Accuracy will not suffer a whit. If you use a traditional-style head, you must re-sharpen the blades after practice to a keen, shaving-sharp edge. Sure this takes time - but it is the price you pay for using this style.
Why risk the success of your precious days afield by doing anything less? And do we not owe it to the game we hunt to do everything in our power to make sure that when the planets line up and we do get a good shot at a bear, bull, or buck, our broadheads will do the job in the quickest, most efficient, and most humane way possible?
I think we do.
10-04-2008, 06:52 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
Yep, I brought my razor sharp Muzzy's out into the field with me and saw 10 turkey, 3 doe, and a bobcat. Was beautiful.
And this thread is not advocating dull broadheads....we are talking physics here, and it is interesting to me. If you really think that this thread is advocating dull broadheads....delete the thread.
And this thread is not advocating dull broadheads....we are talking physics here, and it is interesting to me. If you really think that this thread is advocating dull broadheads....delete the thread.
10-04-2008, 06:52 PM
#43
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
I just posted I ALWAYS USE NEW BLADES. But for the sake of the post you in theory can get passthrough
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ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
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That is very poor practices.
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
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That is very poor practices.
10-04-2008, 06:53 PM
#44
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
Didnt indains ambush there game, proplelling several arrows at once into there game? It didnt really matter... "Its got 10 arrows in it, I dont think its going far."
10-04-2008, 06:54 PM
#45
Fork Horn
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
Well I would shot "C" but are you talk as they are now or when they were whole? But since we know from history they did the job they were made for I would shoot any of them when they were whole.
10-04-2008, 06:54 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
The question was recovery, not passthru, hell I bet I could passthru with a field point, do you think that would be acceptable?
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
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That is very poor practices.
I just posted I ALWAYS USE NEW BLADES. But for the sake of the post you in theory can get passthrough
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ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
[/blockquote]
That is very poor practices.
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10-04-2008, 06:55 PM
#47
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
I was looking at the same size head, one "dull" and one "sharp". Meaning "dull" I mean maybe just taken right out of the package and not sharpened to the quality that some people shoot for in their broadheads. I was examining a pass through shot and blood trails....simple. FOR THE 6678th time, I am not advocating dull heads.
10-04-2008, 06:57 PM
#49
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
ORIGINAL: buckmaster
Um Rob, i just said that. Post #35
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
The question was recovery, not passthru, hell I bet I could passthru with a field point, do you think that would be acceptable?
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
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ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
[blockquote]quote:
How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
[/blockquote]
That is very poor practices.
I just posted I ALWAYS USE NEW BLADES. But for the sake of the post you in theory can get passthrough
[blockquote]quote:
ORIGINAL: nissan300ztt
[blockquote]quote:
How dull are we talking? If dull enough, you could very well get a pass through but not of the diameter your bh is, because of such a blunt force your making the initial hole, and then stretching the rest of the blade through, thus leaving a smaller hole, Plus all of the internal matter your "pushing" through rather than cutting[/blockquote]
Im not saying butter knife dullness but i mean even after shooting a deer with one you can use it again.
[/blockquote]
That is very poor practices.
[8D]
10-04-2008, 06:59 PM
#50
Fork Horn
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RE: Pass through with sharp blades verse "dull" blades
Well as i said some of the admins are hear are like congressmen never right never wrong and if they dont like what you say they delete it. But I digress. And as we have all said these guys are "perfectionists" a muzzy, rage, magnus, NAP are all 30 degree angle blade sharpened. I guarantee with a dull broadhead used 2 times without sharpening will go through a deer. Unless you dont know how to shoot a bow. You guys think what you want use a fast enough bow youll get passthrough with a dull or sharp broadhead.