C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
10-01-2008 | 07:59 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
I don't really have an opinion one way or another. But I do wonder about the difference between deer cain and food plots. I mean, I know with one you open up a bottle and pour it on the ground and with another you work hard and grow the stuff. I respect the difference between the two. But in the end both are just human induced methods to attract deer to an area in unusual volumes.
10-01-2008 | 08:05 PM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
Agree with you with the food plots. A lot of time and hard work goes into those. Now a days i can walk into the woods and see 15 guys, but as soon as im about 1/2 mile in, aint no more guys... Hunters are just lazy now, but i guess that is an advantage to myself because look who is seeing deer!
10-01-2008 | 08:15 PM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
I work in a feed store and we sell more stuff for baiting deer this time of year than anything.All the hunters that come threw the door hunt over corn and it is legal in are state but lets face it thats not real hunting!Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
10-01-2008 | 10:50 PM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
ORIGINAL: HAWKEYE77
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
10-02-2008 | 05:29 AM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
ORIGINAL: RuLzU
I COULDNT say it ANY better than THAT! well said hawkeye!
ORIGINAL: HAWKEYE77
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
10-02-2008 | 06:30 AM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
OK, here we go again! Did nature put in that soybean field? Or the corn field? Or the apple orchard? No the farmer did. So I guess those are all bait and not fair chase right?
ORIGINAL: RuLzU
I COULDNT say it ANY better than THAT! well said hawkeye!
ORIGINAL: HAWKEYE77
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
If I wanted toconvert to the way of thinking of some of these fellas, I'd have to back WAY up and say that TRUE "fair chase"would be:
-Spot-and-stalk or still hunting only.
-No stand hunting. That wouldn't be fair CHASE; that's an ambush.
-Self-made bows, arrows, heads and strings only, and those must be made using what nature provides. I mean come on, to be worthy of taking a deer, you should be able to craft your weapons, right?
-No hunting anywhere near crop fields. Humans planted those... they're not "natural".
-No store-boughtcamoflage. That's an unfair advantage. You have to make your own with what nature provides.
-No purchased calls. All calls have to be made using your own voice.
-While we're at it, no eyeglasses or contacts allowed. If you can't see well enough to hunt, you shouldn't be out there.
.... and on and on until we get to the point where you have to walk out into nature butt-naked, pick up two rocks, bang them together until you get a sharp edge, then chase down your quarry and slit it's throat.
Jeesh.
10-02-2008 | 06:44 AM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
Thank you, Greg! That's what I was getting at yesterday. Some folks just don't seem to be happy unless they've got something to complain about.I'm always amazed by people who think that their way of doing things absolutely has to be the ONLY right way.
If I wanted toconvert to the way of thinking of some of these fellas, I'd have to back WAY up and say that TRUE "fair chase"would be:
-Spot-and-stalk or still hunting only.
-No stand hunting. That wouldn't be fair CHASE; that's an ambush.
-Self-made bows, arrows, heads and strings only, and those must be made using what nature provides. I mean come on, to be worthy of taking a deer, you should be able to craft your weapons, right?
-No hunting anywhere near crop fields. Humans planted those... they're not "natural".
-No store-boughtcamoflage. That's an unfair advantage. You have to make your own with what nature provides.
-No purchased calls. All calls have to be made using your own voice.
-While we're at it, no eyeglasses or contacts allowed. If you can't see well enough to hunt, you shouldn't be out there.
.... and on and on until we get to the point where you have to walk out into nature butt-naked, pick up two rocks, bang them together until you get a sharp edge, then chase down your quarry and slit it's throat.
Jeesh.
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
OK, here we go again! Did nature put in that soybean field? Or the corn field? Or the apple orchard? No the farmer did. So I guess those are all bait and not fair chase right?
ORIGINAL: RuLzU
I COULDNT say it ANY better than THAT! well said hawkeye!
ORIGINAL: HAWKEYE77
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
Anything that nature does not produce for a deer to eat that is placed in the wild is bait and not fair chase!
If I wanted toconvert to the way of thinking of some of these fellas, I'd have to back WAY up and say that TRUE "fair chase"would be:
-Spot-and-stalk or still hunting only.
-No stand hunting. That wouldn't be fair CHASE; that's an ambush.
-Self-made bows, arrows, heads and strings only, and those must be made using what nature provides. I mean come on, to be worthy of taking a deer, you should be able to craft your weapons, right?
-No hunting anywhere near crop fields. Humans planted those... they're not "natural".
-No store-boughtcamoflage. That's an unfair advantage. You have to make your own with what nature provides.
-No purchased calls. All calls have to be made using your own voice.
-While we're at it, no eyeglasses or contacts allowed. If you can't see well enough to hunt, you shouldn't be out there.
.... and on and on until we get to the point where you have to walk out into nature butt-naked, pick up two rocks, bang them together until you get a sharp edge, then chase down your quarry and slit it's throat.
Jeesh.
10-02-2008 | 07:01 AM
#19
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From: Wilmington, DE
RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
Very tough call. I would not be comfortable using the stuff if all it did was attract them. Just like I am not one in favor of hunting over any type of bait pile. I say "pile" for good reason. I am not opposed to hunting around farmer fields which have planted corn, bean etc. Why the difference...just my opinion. I think a bait pile is almost cheating as it provides an improper advantage over the animal. A corn field, a bit different.
I lost a lot of respect for the hunting done in Saskatchewan once I found out that most deer are baited there.
To each their own if it is legal in the state you hunt. If you enjoy that type of hunting great! Personally if I were to do it, I would not be as proud of the trophy.
I lost a lot of respect for the hunting done in Saskatchewan once I found out that most deer are baited there.
To each their own if it is legal in the state you hunt. If you enjoy that type of hunting great! Personally if I were to do it, I would not be as proud of the trophy.
10-02-2008 | 07:05 AM
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RE: C'Mere Deer is Fair Chase?
ORIGINAL: NYak
Well one of my buddies uses this stuff similar to C'Mere Deer which is called Deer Co Cain. Its a liquid that you put on the ground by the base of a tree and the deer have about a 5 inch hole in the ground about 10 inches wide. All they are eating is dirt and roots! He took a huge doe the first day of the season and every time i go by there, there is always deer there. I just don't see it fair chase. Is it not baiting? Baiting is illegal in PA but i don't know what they consider baiting. I just can't bring myself to use that stuff or even hunt out of his stand when he tells me to.
Well one of my buddies uses this stuff similar to C'Mere Deer which is called Deer Co Cain. Its a liquid that you put on the ground by the base of a tree and the deer have about a 5 inch hole in the ground about 10 inches wide. All they are eating is dirt and roots! He took a huge doe the first day of the season and every time i go by there, there is always deer there. I just don't see it fair chase. Is it not baiting? Baiting is illegal in PA but i don't know what they consider baiting. I just can't bring myself to use that stuff or even hunt out of his stand when he tells me to.