The Kill - Revisited .......
10-02-2008 | 03:09 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Agreed.
ORIGINAL: RackLuster
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
10-02-2008 | 03:41 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
Every kill I have made, I feel just a small twinge of guilt but it is largely overshadowed by what I just accomplished which as we allknow is not the easiest task in the world (killing a deer with a bow), for this I am proud of what I achieved.
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10-02-2008 | 03:43 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in
). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.
Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.
Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.
Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in
). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.
Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
10-02-2008 | 03:47 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.
Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix. Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.
Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in
). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.
Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
10-02-2008 | 04:33 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try...
I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair?
Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't.
The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.
Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special.Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one.
When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix. Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.
Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one.Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt.
Are we getting closer on this, Jeff? I think we are more alike than not here ...
10-02-2008 | 06:24 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Then why kill it???? Why not paintball it? Same result save the dead deer ....
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Agreed.
ORIGINAL: RackLuster
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
The kill is necessary that doesn't mean it has to be the highlight of everyone's total hunt.When I have an animal down, I have a very wide range of emotions. Emotions that I usually keep to myself and my maker. The end result is I lay my hand on the animal knowing I'm the first human that has (probably) ever touched said animal and I thank God for this opportunity. The reasons I hunt are the reasons I hunt and I don't need to explain them to anyone over the internet.
10-02-2008 | 06:26 PM
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let's nbot confuse what I am saying here .... which is prolly my fault ...... when you kill the intended target ....did you take pleasure in the act ...yes or no? When you killed "the bull", did you take pleasure in it?
I suppose you could say I took pleasure in the act of the culmination of the successful hunt, but not any more than on some hunts where I didn't kill something. Speaking of the bull.....that's a good story to discuss this.
I saw him last year for the first time on Friday 11/2. He walked by in the darkness and stood not 5 yds from my tree I was in. The moon was bright and I grinned ear to ear as I looked at him through my binos. That was a GREAT hunt. I saw him again, Saturday morning 11/3....and I "almost" had him, then (9 yds, quartering to.....but no shot opportunity). GREAT hunt!
When I killed him on Tuesday 11/6......I wasn't sure what I'd done. I hoped it was "him"....but I didn't get ahead of myself. When I realized it was him.....yeah....I felt something.....remorse.....but just a twinge. We had a relationship, he and I. It was bittersweet. He wasn't "out there" anymore. Pride and accomplishment ....yes! Pleasure in the fact that he was dead, and I killed him? Pleasur ein killing him?
We're splitting hairs.
What I'm calling pride in accomplishment.....you're calling taking pleasure in killing your intended target.
Alike? Surely.
God Bless, PT....and take care this week. Live vicariously through all these killers. Your time is coming!
10-02-2008 | 06:27 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Um Tony, you can't eat a paint balled deer now can you? [&:] The kill is necessary that doesn't mean it has to be the highlight of everyone's total hunt.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Then why kill it???? Why not paintball it? Same result save the dead deer ....
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Agreed.
ORIGINAL: RackLuster
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
The kill is necessary that doesn't mean it has to be the highlight of everyone's total hunt.
10-02-2008 | 06:32 PM
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RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Remorse? Me? I had to think about that one.....but no. I have no remorse. I've had some things happen (shot a deer in each of the last two seasons that bawled when they were hit) that shook me a little (OK...quitea bit)....but remorse when I make a good, cleankill? No.
I suppose you could say I took pleasure in the act of the culmination of the successful hunt, but not any more than on some hunts where I didn't kill something. Speaking of the bull.....that's a good story to discuss this.
I saw him last year for the first time on Friday 11/2. He walked by in the darkness and stood not 5 yds from my tree I was in. The moon was bright and I grinned ear to ear as I looked at him through my binos. That was a GREAT hunt. I saw him again, Saturday morning 11/3....and I "almost" had him, then (9 yds, quartering to.....but no shot opportunity). GREAT hunt!
When I killed him on Tuesday 11/6......I wasn't sure what I'd done. I hoped it was "him"....but I didn't get ahead of myself. When I realized it was him.....yeah....I felt something.....remorse.....but just a twinge. We had a relationship, he and I. It was bittersweet. He wasn't "out there" anymore. Pride and accomplishment ....yes! Pleasure in the fact that he was dead, and I killed him? Pleasur ein killing him?
We're splitting hairs.
What I'm calling pride in accomplishment.....you're calling taking pleasure in killing your intended target.
Alike? Surely.
God Bless, PT....and take care this week. Live vicariously through all these killers. Your time is coming!
let's nbot confuse what I am saying here .... which is prolly my fault ...... when you kill the intended target ....did you take pleasure in the act ...yes or no? When you killed "the bull", did you take pleasure in it?
I suppose you could say I took pleasure in the act of the culmination of the successful hunt, but not any more than on some hunts where I didn't kill something. Speaking of the bull.....that's a good story to discuss this.
I saw him last year for the first time on Friday 11/2. He walked by in the darkness and stood not 5 yds from my tree I was in. The moon was bright and I grinned ear to ear as I looked at him through my binos. That was a GREAT hunt. I saw him again, Saturday morning 11/3....and I "almost" had him, then (9 yds, quartering to.....but no shot opportunity). GREAT hunt!
When I killed him on Tuesday 11/6......I wasn't sure what I'd done. I hoped it was "him"....but I didn't get ahead of myself. When I realized it was him.....yeah....I felt something.....remorse.....but just a twinge. We had a relationship, he and I. It was bittersweet. He wasn't "out there" anymore. Pride and accomplishment ....yes! Pleasure in the fact that he was dead, and I killed him? Pleasur ein killing him?
We're splitting hairs.
What I'm calling pride in accomplishment.....you're calling taking pleasure in killing your intended target.
Alike? Surely.
God Bless, PT....and take care this week. Live vicariously through all these killers. Your time is coming!
great post