Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
08-14-2008 | 03:05 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
ORIGINAL: Michaels
Personally for myself... I have a bit of a moral dilemma when dealing with Yates.
See.. first I hate them. They harass the deer.. cause me headache.. eat animals I shot before I get to them... etc.
But.. I also have great respect for them. Since I know they are only trying to live.. and they are a predator like I.
And then there is the fact I don't eat Yates. Which leads me to my dilemma.
I've taken a few in my day. But with each one have felt almost wrong in doing so. Simply because my old man told me when I was a young lad to eat whatever I ever kill. And I don't eat Yates.
This is my own personal dilemma. Not yours. I know the tote numbers are way unbalanced and getting higher near me.. and I know that many of the folks around here want me to take them out. I've been asked alto about it.
I've personally given myself a cap number. A number I know to put on the Yates.. and I will only take as many Yates up to that number. I did last year and I will do it again.
If a young tote came across me.. I'd likely let it walk.
Personally for myself... I have a bit of a moral dilemma when dealing with Yates.
See.. first I hate them. They harass the deer.. cause me headache.. eat animals I shot before I get to them... etc.
But.. I also have great respect for them. Since I know they are only trying to live.. and they are a predator like I.
And then there is the fact I don't eat Yates. Which leads me to my dilemma.
I've taken a few in my day. But with each one have felt almost wrong in doing so. Simply because my old man told me when I was a young lad to eat whatever I ever kill. And I don't eat Yates.
This is my own personal dilemma. Not yours. I know the tote numbers are way unbalanced and getting higher near me.. and I know that many of the folks around here want me to take them out. I've been asked alto about it.
I've personally given myself a cap number. A number I know to put on the Yates.. and I will only take as many Yates up to that number. I did last year and I will do it again.
If a young tote came across me.. I'd likely let it walk.
I'm even going to quit nuisance goose hunting this fall, I hear if I harvest the eggs in the spring I will be doing the flocks a favor by not having all those beaks to feed all summer long and the eggs are way more tender . [:-]
Your decisions on killingshould only be looked at from the management side of the equation moral dilemmas have no place in Americas woodlands.
08-14-2008 | 03:10 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
Also, from the size of some of those fawns you better have pretty good binos to see those buttons.
I dont care what you kill, just making a point that is well backed biologically.
The whole 'yote thing is like calling Obama a Republican.
08-14-2008 | 03:13 PM
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Introducing morals into this thread is like Rosie saying no to Ho-Ho's ,it just ain't right.
Woulditmake you feel"morally"superior to forego the killing one deer.....if the overall health of the herd suffers because of it?
08-14-2008 | 03:17 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
Introducing morals into this thread is like Rosie saying no to Ho-Ho's ,it just ain't right.
I'm even going to quit nuisance goose hunting this fall, I hear if I harvest the eggs in the spring I will be doing the flocks a favor by not having all those beaks to feed all summer long and the eggs are way more tender .
Your decisions on killing should only be looked at from the management side of the equation moral dilemmas have no place in Americas woodlands.
I'm even going to quit nuisance goose hunting this fall, I hear if I harvest the eggs in the spring I will be doing the flocks a favor by not having all those beaks to feed all summer long and the eggs are way more tender .
Your decisions on killing should only be looked at from the management side of the equation moral dilemmas have no place in Americas woodlands.
Geese pose a huge threat to other wildlife as well when their numbers soar. So I understand completely the need to eliminate many. And.. I do eat geese.
The yote population isn't even close to the geese as far as over-populated numbers.. and I still ain't eating a one yote.
Have you ever smelled a yote up close?[:'(]
08-14-2008 | 03:19 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
Sorry, I figured everyone could understand that this premise was based on the fact that I am limited to the number of deer I can harvest each year. Given that fact, I can do more good for my herd by killing mature does rather than fawns. Also, from the size of some of those fawns you better have pretty good binos to see those buttons. I dont care what you kill, just making a point that is well backed biologically. Example, if you only kill fawns on your farm and I kill the same number of does on my farm, your deer herd will explode in numbers compared to mine. Simple. The whole 'yote thing is like calling Obama a Republican.
I just do not like killing young animals, no matter the species. It just doesn't make sense, to me.
I don't shoot jakes, and pass on fawns. I put back fish that are not big (old) enough (I understand fish can be stunted) .
08-14-2008 | 03:21 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Which ones are those???
Seriously....which one was that? Did you seriously think I was speaking of any other situation than the one I have here......the one I referenced all throught the thread? And who's ONLY killing doe fawns? I think I killed 2, last year. Again....I target EVERY female deer. EVERY includes fawns.....but does not single them out.
As fun as it would be to hear the back-up on that one....lol....let's pass, huh?
Also, from the size of some of those fawns you better have pretty good binos to see those buttons.
I dont care what you kill, just making a point that is well backed biologically.
The whole 'yote thing is like calling Obama a Republican.
08-14-2008 | 03:23 PM
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ICALL.....
I TOTALLY respect YOUR views on this (for YOU). I don't "enjoy" killing them, either. Rybo said, yesterday....and I agree...I am neither proud nor ashamed to have done so, though. I have a legal tag for them. They need killing (female deer). I have MORE of a moral dilemma letting them walk, here.
I respect your view....but can't for the life of me understand why my sitaution doesn't make sense to others.
I TOTALLY respect YOUR views on this (for YOU). I don't "enjoy" killing them, either. Rybo said, yesterday....and I agree...I am neither proud nor ashamed to have done so, though. I have a legal tag for them. They need killing (female deer). I have MORE of a moral dilemma letting them walk, here.
I respect your view....but can't for the life of me understand why my sitaution doesn't make sense to others.
08-14-2008 | 03:23 PM
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You are correct backwoods. I can kill 2 deer/day....with not more than 2 of them being antlered bucks for the season. If I filled my tags (all available)....I'd kill 200 deer/yr.
The tag situation (where I hunt) is the way it is.....for a reason. My outlook on the taking of does is, as well.
You are correct backwoods. I can kill 2 deer/day....with not more than 2 of them being antlered bucks for the season. If I filled my tags (all available)....I'd kill 200 deer/yr.
The tag situation (where I hunt) is the way it is.....for a reason. My outlook on the taking of does is, as well.
Watch out, there everywhere!!!!
08-14-2008 | 03:25 PM
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A legend in your own mind. Doesn't matter, my kids get it and they're the ones that will inherit the farm.
When in the absence of a legitimate argument to bolster your stance.......simply stoop to personal insults. The attack Ad Hominem.