Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
08-14-2008 | 02:41 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
but to anwser your coyote question i would kill any and every single one.....BUT not for the fact 2 save deer.....that dont bother me....what bothers me is the rabbit population round here sucks and i love bunny huntin 100 times more than deer huntin..... so id shoot them for rabbit reasons....
08-14-2008 | 02:49 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
ORIGINAL: fletch920
If the goal is to lower deer population then killing a fawn is the wrong method.
If the goal is to lower deer population then killing a fawn is the wrong method.
So killing something isless effective at reducing that "thing's" population that NOT killing it?
If you kill the fawn, will there be more or less deer? I could be wrong, but I suspect there would be less deer if you kill it and more deer if you don't kill it.
So it almost seems like killing the fawnis actuallya BETTER methodfor reducing deer population.
08-14-2008 | 02:49 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
Personally for myself... I have a bit of a moral dilema when dealing with yotes.
See.. first I hate them. They harass the deer.. cause me headache.. eat animals I shot before I get to them... etc.
But.. I also have great respect for them. Since I know they are only trying to live.. and they are a predator like I.
And then there is the fact I don't eat yotes. Which leads me to my dilema.
I've taken a few in my day. But with each one have felt almost wrong in doing so. Simply because my old man told me when I was a young lad to eat whatever I ever kill. And I don't eat yotes.
This is my own personal dilema. Not yours. I know the yote numbers are way unbalanced and getting higher near me.. and I know that many of the folks around here want me to take them out. I've been asked alot about it.
I've personally given myself a cap number. A number I know to put on the yotes.. and I will only take as many yotes up to that number. I did last year and I will do it again.
If a young yote came across me.. I'd likely let it walk.
See.. first I hate them. They harass the deer.. cause me headache.. eat animals I shot before I get to them... etc.
But.. I also have great respect for them. Since I know they are only trying to live.. and they are a predator like I.
And then there is the fact I don't eat yotes. Which leads me to my dilema.
I've taken a few in my day. But with each one have felt almost wrong in doing so. Simply because my old man told me when I was a young lad to eat whatever I ever kill. And I don't eat yotes.
This is my own personal dilema. Not yours. I know the yote numbers are way unbalanced and getting higher near me.. and I know that many of the folks around here want me to take them out. I've been asked alot about it.
I've personally given myself a cap number. A number I know to put on the yotes.. and I will only take as many yotes up to that number. I did last year and I will do it again.
If a young yote came across me.. I'd likely let it walk.
08-14-2008 | 02:52 PM
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BG....If I could discern the bad-ass doe fawns .....you know....the mass-murdering types......I might give that one a pass.
They all look the same to me, though.
They all look the same to me, though.
08-14-2008 | 02:57 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Disagree....but I'll let you hang yourself.
I said in another thread....THE main reason I take binos afield is to thwart this. My record on distinguishing them is fairly good (I've killed one BB....the piebald).
LOL....You're assuming I'm choosy....or CAN choose. I kill every female deer that offers me an ethical shot. Period.
Pass on a doe fawn and you have SURELY allowed one more to live and eat THAT year.....and probably another for the coming year (especially in our mild climate).
Why did this not play into the equation when you were touting killing the mature doe???? It actually becomes MORE likely you take a future buck out when you kill the older deer. But I digress..... I'm not very choosy about which female deer I kill.
If I kill her today....she will consume NO MORE resources....and neither will her potential offspring
You're not making the connection, caller....
When you take out "ANY" mouth that's eating from your deer herd.....you're "protecting" (ensuring the better health of) the rest of the herd. It's not a stretch.
They don't need to. You're doing a FINE job!
If the goal is to lower deer population then killing a fawn is the wrong method.
First, you often dont know if it is a doe or buck.
Also, it will likely only have 1 offspring when it does get bred the first time, whereas, a mature doe will likely have twins.
Kill a doe and you just eliminated 3 deer from the equation for next year.
Kill a fawn and you have quite possibly killed a buck, or at best, eliminated one or two deer from next season.
Also, the fawn will consume far less resources than the mature deer etc. etc.
Killing coyotes has more to do with protecting THEIR prey, not themselves. FAR different.
When you take out "ANY" mouth that's eating from your deer herd.....you're "protecting" (ensuring the better health of) the rest of the herd. It's not a stretch.
By the way, I really dont believe deer and coyotes have the ability to "label" themselves.
08-14-2008 | 02:57 PM
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Duke I'm torn, too.
Think about my situation. They are actually my friend. But where I draw the line is.....they're not particular about which ones they kill. I am.
I've seen a few.....but never from stand....and never with a weapon, handy. I'd like to have one....just for the mount. After that.....I can't really tell ya what I'd do if one walked by. If they're eating deer, here.......well.....I wish they'd get a taste for she-meat.....and I'd build them houses and put 'em on Front Line
Think about my situation. They are actually my friend. But where I draw the line is.....they're not particular about which ones they kill. I am.
I've seen a few.....but never from stand....and never with a weapon, handy. I'd like to have one....just for the mount. After that.....I can't really tell ya what I'd do if one walked by. If they're eating deer, here.......well.....I wish they'd get a taste for she-meat.....and I'd build them houses and put 'em on Front Line
08-14-2008 | 03:00 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
Dang, I forgot about the mass-murdering doe fawns. You're right, if you let those ones walk, your deer population will actually decrease. I think they usually have some pigmentation anomalies...
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
BG....If I could discern the bad-ass doe fawns .....you know....the mass-murdering types......I might give that one a pass.
They all look the same to me, though.
BG....If I could discern the bad-ass doe fawns .....you know....the mass-murdering types......I might give that one a pass.
They all look the same to me, though.
08-14-2008 | 03:01 PM
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Well then tell us Jeffro, with all this unlimted deer killing your doing to keep them from starving. Just how high is the browse line at your hunting spot, and throw us a few winter kill numbers in there while your at it,so we can see just what your dealing with out there.
I'll take a picture of the browse line this fall. Rob's seen it. From 6' down there's nothing in the areas I hunt (almost nothing).
"Winter kill numbers"???? That's part of the problem. They sunbathe in February, here.
08-14-2008 | 03:03 PM
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RE: Would you shoot an immature Coyote?
ORIGINAL: Badger_Girl93
Hmmm...let me get this straight...
So killing something isless effective at reducing that "thing's" population that NOT killing it?
If you kill the fawn, will there be more or less deer? I could be wrong, but I suspect there would be less deer if you kill it and more deer if you don't kill it.
So it almost seems like killing the fawnis actuallya BETTER methodfor reducing deer population.
ORIGINAL: fletch920
If the goal is to lower deer population then killing a fawn is the wrong method.
If the goal is to lower deer population then killing a fawn is the wrong method.
So killing something isless effective at reducing that "thing's" population that NOT killing it?
If you kill the fawn, will there be more or less deer? I could be wrong, but I suspect there would be less deer if you kill it and more deer if you don't kill it.
So it almost seems like killing the fawnis actuallya BETTER methodfor reducing deer population.