Unfortunately you didnt read the post all the way through where I said the Game Commission gives unlimited doe tags or a rediculous amount of doe tags. If we stop that, and no one can shoot doe is that healthy? A billion doe and a few buck? Or if we llimit the doe tags, and equal out the number of buck and doe, is that a healthy deer heard. AR's are for the buck side, PA has yet to figure out the doe. Hence why I know many PA hunters are taking matter into their own hands and buying doe tags and sitting on them. Correct me if I am wrong, is an equal amount of buck to doe a bad thing? Is that unhealthy?

Steve this is an extremely bad idea, and I was for it until I was told what happens.
Making hunters put buck tags on bb would decrease a doe harvest a lot, if you want hunters to shoot some does, it's not good managment idea.

This is why AR's work

What is the ratio now and how do you get that figure? Is a 3:1 ratio unhealthy?

Please where did I say "states", I said guys AR's are not part of QDM at all, but like I said, I understand why statesdo it now.

How can a state get a healthy herd by just managing half the equation? Is there ANY state that manages the Doe population with restrictions like they manage the Buck population with AR?

Bruce I like balance, better than healthy

I would do flips if MI was 3 to 1, LOL 2 to 1 is about as good as most high population states can ever hope for IMO. I will take it[8D]

LOL You are the one that brought QDM into the argument over antler restrictions and now you are telling me AR's are not part of QDM. Why did you mention it then?

Well I just went out back and gave a hollar for them to all come so I could get an accurate count. They must be busy because they didnt show. But we could listen to what the game commission says they havent lied to us before. Coyote popluation. Mountain Lion in PA???? HAHA right they havent ever done or said anything that wasnt right. I can tell you at this time of year I see way more buck killed in my area by cars then doe. They arent chasing anything right now. If you shuffle through my posts, I am not arguing the fact that people shouldnt shoot doe. I am arguing the fact that to many people are shooting to many doe. In some counties of MD Bruce, you guys have the exact opposite problem that PA has. To many buck to many doe. Hence why montgomery and some others are 2bucks and unlimited doe correct? Or is it 10 doe? Its quite a bit. But also in those counties, the hunter population I would assume is about 1/4 of what the hunter population in a similiar county in PA is. I guess this bc I hunt mont. md and mont pa extensively, so I am going from what I see personally.

I know when I was younger, i traveled upstate to big woods to hunt with my fathers hunting buddies. Every given year I would see min 50 deer. Now you go upstate, to the same place, your lucky if you see 5. I would sense theres a problem no?

If I believed for a nano-second that AR's were in place to promote a more balancedherd,I might be for them.

Bruce it was about your question on shooting does age class, nothing to do with AR's