"GMMAT" for ATTORNEY GENERAL of HUNTING ETHICS.

He has my vote. Dang this dude can argue some stuff.[8D]

Its kinda funny how Jeff (GMMAT) gets on a tear for people who post on Rage heads that have never used them. He always says that your input is horse **** if you've never used them before. Same goes for this Jeff, your input here is really horse **** as well being you have no clue what so ever what bear hunting or baiting is about. You can't stand it that people can bait for bears and its more the norm and excepted. It drives you nuts! Sorry, but thats the only way possible in certain areas of the country to harvest a bear by the use of bait whether you like it or not.

Why deer and not game birds. Answer that and you'll go a long way to answering your own question

There are many questions in my post, that I don't think you answered, though. Not just one.May have missed it...

After my steak, I will come pick this one a part. I shouldn't have thought this would be a good discussion, rather, should have known it turn into an argument

GMMAT:

These guys who didn't bait, and killed bear...

How did they do it?

I know he gets several game cam photos of bears in the fall (I suppose he'd 'somewhat' patterned them.....or knew they were in the area). He's also hunting some big woods (over 1000 acres)....but he's got game cams galore out (8 or so).

He can feed deer (relax...he can't do that, in season)....and he also had bears coming to his sites. In VA....I "think" your feed/bait/(whateveryouwannacallit) must be up 30 days prior to the season....but don't quote me on that.

Anyways.....he just happened to be in the right area.....right time....based on where he'd seen the most bears early in the year.

Was he bear hunting? Kinda. In reality....I "think" he was deer hunting....and the bears happened by (kinda like a big buck "happens by"....when you're doe hunting). But don't think 2 bears in 3 years in a state that doesn't allow baiting is "luck". You guys have already said how hard it was.....or ....how hard you thought it might be.

I hope that answers your question.

And whos arguing?

I think this has some to do with the terrain. I have to have a way to "lure" them out of where they are. I can't get back there, realistically.

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I wouldn't bait deer, because I don't feel I need to. I can scout for them, pattern them, and kill them WITHOUT bait. I also feel like it would hinder my hunting. A lot of things can go wrong when baiting.

I think it would do more bad, then good.

In PA there is no baiting for anything big game, nor birds. The only baiting that can be done is trapping.

In PA we have 1,000,000 hunters and if baiting were legal, that would devistate our bear population IMO.

I agree that baiting bears in PA should remain unlawful. I am however not against baiting bears in states that allow it. Hunter/bear relations may be at a number that baiting bears is a necessary tactic to ensure success and control numbers.

PA allows no baiting of deer but made it legal in certain management areas to lure deer out of non huntable lands and to help ensure success to adequately control the deer populations in those areas.

In Quebec where I hunted bears successfully over bait, it's not only necessary but probably the ONLY way they can be sure that adequate bears are taken. When I was in a treestand I was the only human being within 5 miles of myself. That is a HUGE area and the outfitter gets X many tags for an area. Without baiting not only would hunter/bear success go way down but nuisance bear reports would esculate.

In PA the known method of bear hunting is to scout and sit or take part in bear drives. Either way I've know guys who hunted their entire life and have NEVER seen a bear while hunting.

Bait or not to bait? I for the life of me can't imagine our own speaking up against a legal method in another state. We are after all our own worst enemies when it comes to our hunting future.

But what do you think about the practice (others baiting deer)?