"Listen, caller.....Hunting with a bow is more difficult than hunting with a rifle in most circumstances".

Gee Mr. Obvious........

I didn't make the connection.

X2 that is the only reason i have a bow,gun and ML to hunt as much as i can.

EXACTLY!!

TG78 you seriously think a modern compounds bow gets its energy from the limbs and delivering it through the string to the arrows ?

Why have limbs that flex at all if all the energy is created by cams and pulleys? Why do different draw weights require different limbs? I believe the energy does come from the limbs. I believe it is maximized and multiplied by the cams but without the limbs to create energy you have nothing. The limb is where the energy is stored not the cam.

Tell me this Duane, if you put some really really soft limbs on a bow that if distorted would just return to their original shape then do you think that some cams would magically propell the arrow at blazing speeds. It is a combo of the cams and limbs that doo the work. Those semi rigidlimbs flex when pulling the string back and when let go they spring back to original shape and rotate the cams. The limbs are the start.

i always thought the cams and pullys just remove some power it takes to hold the bow at draw
draw a trad bow and see how long you can hold it

I'll give this one a shot.......Big Duane, I pretty much agree with most of what you say I too don't think a compound bow is the same as a trad bow but I'll stop short of not calling it a bow. In order to understand a compound bow you must first realize that it STILL gets it's energy from it's limbs. Without tension in the limbs (like a long bow or recurve) it will not shoot an arrow one inch. The best and simplest way to describe cams is that they are levers. Levers used to enhance and accentuate to power in the limbs but make no mistake about it the modern compound gets it's energy the exact same way as a long bow does.....from the limbs. The cams will enhance and multiply it but without stored energy in the limbs you have nothing.....ie it's a bow.

Not to argue - cause I don't see the point, but someone mentioned to me that "it's not about the kill, some people just love to hunt".

That is the exact reason I do hunt. I can back this up with eating my last three Illinois Non-resident tags ($1,200+ worth) - because I would rather eat my tag that kill an immature buck (cause it is as far from "the kill" to me as anything). Ihave most of the bucks that I passed on camera to enjoy themas much as I want by watching the encounters as often as I wish. I get more enjoyment from this than I would killing them. So - in other words - I agree with you.

Why do men climb Everest when they can more easily climb a100 ft.hill in their backyard? Why do some men insist on shooting traditional archery when we have the greatest bow technology in the history of the world? Everyone has a different goal. To me, it's killing big bucks with a bow. To others it's any deer.Theharder the goal, thegreater the reward. Thisistrue of anything really.

Regardless, ask any hunter who has killed "deer" with a bow, and deer with a gun - what was more exciting? I would bet you every cent in my bank account that "bow" will come-out on-top. Anyone want to take me up?

This is my last post on this topic because I've said how I feel and won't get into ayou know what contest over such a non-important topic.

That was me Todd.....but you already knew that.

However I also said "You like to bow hunt for mature deer and that's fine but don't "lump" everyone else who doesn't only do that into the "they don't know what their missing" or "they've never killed a mature deer" category."

I said that in response to your quote:

I agree that everyone has different goals but I disagree with your "the harder the goal, the greater the reward" statement in a very big way! It's interesting that you bringup Everest as an example because I had the honor and pleasure to go on a three day backpack hike with a group of guys who among themwas a fellow (who eventually became my friend) who had actually climbed Everest.You know what??? after our little event-less three day back pack trip he had told me that this trip was by far his most enjoyable and rewardingof any backpacking trip in his life.....Everest included!

Yes some folks just love to hunt and some folks just love to back pack and hike. But it's neither the destination nor the quarry that matters as much as the adventure, the actual act of doing something they truly enjoy.


As far as asking a hunter who has killed a deer with a bow and a "gun" which was more exciting? That's a "no brainier" because as I've said many many times here, bow hunters as a whole are the most selfish elitist hunters I know. I have no doubt how most bow hunters would answer that. It's like asking the general population of Statesville Prison if they are innocent.