Quite the perspective....and I'm not versed enough in "archery" history to disagree or agree with you. I hunt with both traditional "Archery" and compounds....and while I gree with you on the "difficulty" factor....I won't go so far as to say compounds aren't "archery tackle". They're as much archery tackle as a modern day alloy head is a "3 wood". It's just a product of the times (IMO).

Agreed.....if done "tactfully".

Well put!

Acknowledging difficutly differences is not bad or divisive, but saying something like this is...

I could not think of many other statements that would be more divisive than that.

Give me a freaking break, by definition it is a bow like it or not. Go out and whittle one out of a stick elitist.
You know that it like me saying that if you are bowhunting deer in an area that has a very dense population where you have your pick of the animals you are not REALLY deer hunting. To be real deer hunting you need to hunt in Eastern CO (my home) where we are lucky to see a buck in 2-3 seasons let alone be in the right spot at the right time. "If it's not tough then you are not hunting". I really don't like this type of attitude and mentality. Compound bows are bow's and they are hunting. And another thing "thousands of years ago" they did not have near the amount of modern day restrictions that we do now. Try not and compare things that cannot be.

yeap
i think bow hunters think there so much better just because they shoot a deer with a bow
i think it is harder to bow hunt closer but not better

for me hunting is hunting

Not a good comparison - a persimmon wood and an allow wood are the same woods just make of different stuff.Still the same club, same degree, same face etc. Acompound is wheels, pulley, cables, sights, letoff, triggers, drop away rests ... compounds don't even categorize as a bow by definition.

I gave up tact for a more direct approach

I welcome compounds, they are not a negative to archery/bowhunting so far as I can tell. They are a high tech weapon, they are the majority choice for bowhunters. I shoot one sometimes.

They are not bows by definition. They're high tech archery weapons. I know thats against the grain, i also know its the truth.

you're calling me an elitist ? why ? I welcome compounds and crossbows alike. do you ?

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2:a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow

Thats NOT what a compound is - the latest compounds the limbs are really nothing more than holders for the cams/wheels that generate all the energy.

Sorry TG78its the truth



there has been a redefinition of what archery is - archery seasons and bowhunting were longbows and recurves, they forged they way, they WERE bowhunting and archery.

compounds got in, and when the technology got good, all of a sudden recurves and longbows became "traditional archery"

hmmmm why the renaming ? They never QUIT being bowhunting and archery !


Thats what happened, like it or not. I've hunted with compounds for over a decade and a half and will continue to. I'm elk hunting with a muzzleloader this fall. I'll hunt with my Zipper recurve a lot too. And I'll recognize the huge differences in each one.


Thats just recognizing that one is much more more challenging and rewarding and deserving of Kudo's than the others.

I may be ignorant to archery history.....but if you'll check the modern "3-wood" average yardages against their "old" persimmon counterparts......you'll find that the "same" designation don't fit. You can attribute a lot of that to the ball, but.....the numbers don't lie.

Saying a modern compound isn't"archery" is......well....it's just a matter of how deep your head's in the sand....and not whether it it's there, or not.

Is the modern assault rifle a "gun"?

You obviously do not have any idea how a modern compound works given that according to you compound limbs do nothing more that hold the cams/wheels.

I'm done with you. I'm not going to feed into your hijacking another thread with your elitist traditional archer mindset.

I don't care how anyone kills a deer, bow, gun, spear, as long as it is legal and they take pride in the hunt and respect the animal I am good.

I know Duane I looked up the definition of bow as well, what you failed to do is add compound to it. It is a bow only it uses a compound action.
It does not matter if it is "vastly" different as you propose, they are both bows and they are both equal hunting. And to your question, I do welcome both compounds and crossbows just like I welcome the guy in rifle season who has a high power custom cartridge magnum that has 200 yards on my .308. But then again I am using the gun and he is using a modern advanced high speed projectile launching game getter.

GMMAT no doubt an Adcock ACS CX built without fiberglass lams and the concave limb design etc etc will outshoot a 1950's Bear Kodiak .... but each bow is shot almost in an identical way. So too is that persimmon driver used in almost the same was as the New Nike wood though the Nike will outdrive that old one.

A compound .... vastly different in every way that it works to the way its shot to the performace.



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you telling me, SERIOUSLY trying to tell me, that the limbs on the above bow is what generates the energy to propel the arrow?

c'mon .... aint nobody going to say that, its the cams and wheels and design that generates the energy, the limbs actually do very little on today's bows.



HuntingBry of course you're done, you can't refute what I'm saying.

If you're not elitist, you're FOR crossbows in archery season aren't you ?

I'm not elitist at all, are you?

I don't really "care" either, but I will tell you killing a spike buck with a self bow and arrows is MUCH MORE an accomplishment than killing a 140" B&C with a rifle 300 yards out.

Sorry, it is, and calling it what it is aint elitist at all


TG78 it matters, it matters in the record books, and it matters to G&F and the laws they set and it matters most to how other hunters percieve, admire, talk about etc.

Nobody can argue taking game with "traditional" archery tackleis by far the harder way to hunt. Hell its OBVIOUS because we make up such a small small percentage of bowhunters !

There is a REASON most use compounds and crossbows. And overall, bowhunters arethe minority compared to rifle hunters ... .why is that ? ITS HARDER thats why

Just calling it like it is