Schultzy, that in my opinion is not in itself a reason or valid example tonot consider crossbows as "archery tackle". I say this because there are some compound bows that do not qualify for P&Y either yet they are considered by most as "archery tackle".

I should have known you'd stop in on a crossbow thread to put me in my "historical place".....LOL

It was ment by way of numbers Steve, not as a personal insult to any one.

The P&Y is not the reason why I say what I say but I am happy on there stance although there stance has weakened very much the last 15 years or so. Where would technology be in bow hunting if they didn't care? Why is it when someone who doesn't believe a crossbow is legit archery equipment get slammed so bad? Its an opinion just as yours and mine is.

Bowmen and crossbowmen have been going at it like this for ages.



It's just not quite as bloody as it used to be.

But then they can get along and be friendly too.



Check out the sharp duds the guy with the longbow is wearing. [8D]

Cool picture there Art!!!

You sure are wanting to twist things up gus, go back and reread my posts and see who gets the smiley faces. LOL

Tell you what, go to your local 6th grade school and have them 12 year olds shoot a rifle at 50 yards a bow at 20 yards and a X Bow at 50 yards and ask them which one the X bow is most like and we will see who gets this.....LOL [&:].
We had 12 year olds hitting paper plates at 100 yards with an X Bow with a scope on it the first time they ever seen one, and that was 20 years ago.

Schultzy,

Fist of all...I never slammed you nor any other individual only "bow hunters" as a whole with my only derogatory statement being: "Bow hunters (as a whole) are the most elitist and selfish hunters I know". I still believe that and this thread does nothing to disprove my thoughts on the matter.

As far as crossbows being archery tackle....they are! Crossbows are acknowledged by the IBO, Archery Trade Association, National Archery Association, National Field Archery Society and many many other organizations not to mention countless states across the nations and that number is rising daily. I'm not trying to "slam" anybody I'm simply trying to explain (in detail I might add) how the similarities of a crossbowto a compound bow far...far...outnumber the differencesthey might have and how they are more bow like than firearm like. I acknowledge the fact that a crossbow is shouldered and aimed like a rifle, but the basic principles...let me repeat that the basic principles are the same as a compound bow or a trad bow. This is how things are categorized by basic operating principles.

You can have sub categories and that's fine but while a horse and a motorcycle are both forms of transportation that you ride on, they will never be the same because they use completely different forms of propulsion and rely on totally different operating mechanisms,one being muscle power and the other a combustion engine, they are different. Therefore saying a motorcycle is more like a horse than a car because you "ride them both" is wrong.A motorcycle is a mechanical combustion engine driven machine where a horse is a mammal, a living and breathing organism that uses muscle power to move. Conversely to say a crossbow is the same as a firearm/rifle because you "shoulder them both" is also wrong because they are operated in a totally different way. One uses energy stored in limbs to propel an arrow/bolt by use of a string while the other utilizes a combustible substance (gun powder) to propel a projectile down an enclosed barrel. How in the world anyone can think a crossbow is more a firearm than a bow is beyond me.

That being said, again I will reitterate.....I don't care if crossbows are put in the gun season, bow season or there own season, there is nothing wrong with them. They are just another "tool" used to hunt with, and if they (crossbows) bring more people into the sport or prolong a hunters time in the woods, I'm all for them......in any season!

No, it's OK for you to shoot whatever you want as long as it is legal as it is for me to do the same.

That does not preclude that I consider one who shoots a crossbow 'cheating' themselves out of the opportunity to shoot a compound which is infinitely more enjoyable. And yes, I am also 'cheating' myself out of usiing traditional gear, but I choose to because of my age and wellness.

I thought my original post clearly conveyed my meaning and intention, but obviously not all folks read all words and interpret them as such! Arrogance and elitism was never conveyed in any of my posts! IF you or anyone else has considered my comments as such, they have falsely judged my intent!

After about 30 yrs of xbow use in Ar, we took about 161,000 deer last season. Verts 10,xxx, xbows 41xx and guns the rest. Our deer are just as tasty as yours, lol. Wouldn't a reasonable person think if there was some magical advantage involved w/ them there would be different stats? Btw: 5 month archery season, 4 deer limit, 2 bucks max any weapon. Much ado about nothing.